Moderator: Dave Roberts
Big Daddy Weaver wrote:That's true.
Since JBS opposed the Civil Rights Movement - I've just always seen it as a racist organization. I've heard someone call Truett a racist (not based on whether he was or was not involved with JBS) in the past as well. Not sure what Fox was implying now though.
BDW wrote:Though from my past visits with Truett, I don't see him in the same light that Fox does...
fox wrote:I hope the administration of Chic Fil A, at the highest levels is aware of this discussion if for no other reason than this teachable moment I am about to provide them
They can read the george will review of Tom Edsall's latest book at http://www.townhall.com/columnists/georgewill the Sept 17 column on building Red America.
Will wrote:Edsall notes that one-third of American children -- and almost 70 percent of African-American children -- are born to unmarried mothers. Then, in an astonishing passage about this phenomenon, which is the cause of most social pathologies, from crime to schools that cannot teach, he explains how Americans differ concerning what he calls ``freedom from the need to maintain the marital or procreative bond.''
``To social conservatives,'' he writes, ``these developments have signaled an irretrievable and tragic loss. Their reaction has fueled, on the right, a powerful traditionalist movement and a groundswell of support for the Republican Party. To modernists, these developments constitute, at worst, the unfortunate costs of progress, and, at best -- and this is very much the view on the political left as well as of Democratic Party loyalists -- they constitute a triumph over unconscionable obstacles to the liberation and self-realization of much of the human race.''
Looking for the real reason for the rise of ``Red America''? Read that paragraph again.
Though I have differences with Bob Skelton on several fronts, I stand with him against you for the most part.
I cannot resolve the gay matter at Berry, but I can come down with Willimon's Christian Century article of a couple years ago when he deplored the Surfeit of Sexual politics, meaning he was tired of it.
The conflation of Sexual politics with civil rights in my view has driven a false dilemma in the culture wars.
William Thornton wrote:cjoshuav wrote:He can be a fine man and a good person and still be a fundamentalist. Remember that I count Roger Moran as my friend.
How do you know Roger Moran?
fox wrote:Jonathan: Read Edsall's escerpt in the current New Republic. buy his book and pick up with us often in the next few months as we analyze the proper Baptist Christian prophetic witness to this mid term. I think Miguel has the high road on Richard Land, hands down.
There is something smelly, Jonathan, about your cooperative program gifts.
As BDW has pointed out, that was me. In an attempt to lure conservatives in Missouri CBF there was attempting to claim that there we no liberals in the CBF and that there never had been (despite folks like Jeanette Holt and Paul Duke serving on the Coordinating Council in the early days). A lot of folks vilified Roger for simply saying "the left wing of the CBF is more liberal than most baptist churches in Missouri will be comfortable with."
As you know, I've never liked or approved of the baptist double-speak whereby many baptist pastors and scholars say one thing in private and another in public to avoid offending conservatives. It strikes me as, at best, disingenuous and at worst a betrayal of the call of the gospel. Consequently, I wrote Roger a short note saying that I didn't see anything inaccurate in his carefully worded and researched points, and that I thought he was being misrepresented. I explained that I don't like it when conserrvatives do that, and I don't like it when "moderates" do that. We became friends (and remain so, he called to congratulate me on our new house when we moved and to offer to fund some Republican yard signs for us ), and I eventually offered to give him a "public" letter that he could reproduce.
Who thinks the baptist political landscape would be very different if everyone would just honestly say what they believe.