2001 Dead soldiers in Iraq

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2001 Dead soldiers in Iraq

Postby bobfrgsn » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:51 pm

It is time for some accountability from the Bush adminstation and just plain old fashioned truth telling ... we need to get out of Iraq and bring our valient service personnel HOMR! A must see flash presentation:
http://www.peacetakescourage.com/someones.html
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I'm starting to feel hopeful...

Postby Lamar Wadsworth » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:27 pm

I have very high hopes that the current federal grand jury proceedings will lead to indictments of Rove and Libby. My hope is that this will expose enough of the culture of corruption in the 'Bush administration to cost Repubs dearly in 2006 elections, shifting the balance of power enough for impeachment of Bush and Cheney to be a real possibility. It is too late for the 2000 + American and countless Iraqi lives wasted so far, and it will not happen soon enough to prevent further squandering of lives and resources in Iraq. I wish it could happen faster, but the current Republican majority won't impeach Bush/Cheney no matter how overwhelming the evidence may be. I think we are witnessing the slow implosion of the most corrupt/incompetent administration in US history.
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Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:09 am

Timothy Bonney wrote:Last I looked the cost of the war is now over $206,000,000,000.

Just think how much good that money could have done in Louisiana!

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DAVE: As I looked at the cost in terms of lives lost and billions spent, the unofficial estimates of Iraqis killed run in the ranges of 20,000 to 60,000. Those numbers, alongside our 2001 casualties, are staggering numbers. We need to deal with those, especially if our premise for war was basically false.
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Postby --Aaron-- » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:54 am

As I wait for the flash presentation to load (I hate dialup service) I wonder, who of us could honestly say that we would feel 100% safe with Saddam Hussein in a position of power in the government of a country with less than honorable intentions in regards to human life? Which of us could honestly say that the threat that Osama Bin Laden posed to our country (and it's individual citizens) didn't cause us any discomfort?

I'm not saying that our current administration has done everything right, or even close (I simply don't know because I don't follow national politics at all). I'm not even saying that Bush didn't lie (or that he did for that matter). I'm only asking which of us would really like these diabolical individuals still wielding power and planning to use it against human life, and especially American life?
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Postby Sandy » Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:57 am

The question isn't whether or not we would feel safe with Saddam Hussein in power. It is apparent, with rocket attacks and bombs going off inside the green zone of Baghdad, that control of Iraqi territory by the US and Iraqi security forces is patchy at best. The question now becomes whether or not we are any more secure with a partially anarchic Iraq existing with a weak central government propped up by US military power that will more than likely give way to another dictator shortly after the US military leaves. And will that dictator be an Al Qaida ally or an extremist Islamic cleric who makes things far worse than Saddam ever did?

That's the scenario we have in Iraq, after more than 2000 soldiers lives and hundreds of billions of dollars.
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Postby Rock » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:04 pm

[quote="--Aaron--"]As I wait for the flash presentation to load (I hate dialup service) I wonder, who of us could honestly say that we would feel 100% safe with Saddam Hussein in a position of power in the government of a country with less than honorable intentions in regards to human life? Which of us could honestly say that the threat that Osama Bin Laden posed to our country (and it's individual citizens) didn't cause us any discomfort? quote]

Aaron, we are much less safe today than we were before the War in Iraq started. This true for many reasons. I will share two: 1)We have turned Iraq into a magnet for wannabe terrorists. 2) Osama is still at large.

Perhaps the greatest travesty of the mess is that over two thousand American Service personnel have died so the new Iraq can operate under a constitution that prohibits the passage of any law that contradicts the Koran. This is what we get for 2,000 lives and billions of dollars, an Islamic theocracy. Bush has the gall to call this democracy. It is plain that he would not recognize democracy if he saw it.
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Postby --Aaron-- » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:10 pm

Rock wrote:Aaron, we are much less safe today than we were before the War in Iraq started. This true for many reasons. I will share two: 1)We have turned Iraq into a magnet for wannabe terrorists. 2) Osama is still at large.

I have a good buddy that came back from Iraq in March (he doesn't have the kindest things to say about Mr Bush either). He is fairly confident that Osama is NOT still 'at large'. He feels certain, though unconfirmed, that Osama has been taken out a L--O--N--G time ago. He said that he had never been told that, but there were different things eluded to, which pointed that direction.

Just an interesting point, I wasn't really going anywhere with it at all.
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Postby Sandy » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:39 pm

That doesn't seem likely, aside from the occasional video evidence that springs up and contains something that confirms the time that it was recorded. If Osama Bin Laden were captured, or the evidence existed that he had been eliminated in some way, the Bush administration would have released the information immediately. It seems to be one of the few things that might still have a chance to salvage his failing presidency and they wouldn't miss that bet.

Even if he does wind up getting captured or killed, the boost to Bush would be temporary at best, since most Americans now realize that there are far more enemies out there in the war on terror than Osama Bin Laden, and that the approach taken by the Bush administration has only made things worse.
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Postby --Aaron-- » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:13 am

Neither he nor I have any substantiation to this claim; it's just his 'gut feeling' from his 18 mo stint over there. I made the same claim you did in regards to Bush's interest in releasing this information and his reply was something like this: Osama is our 'last' specifically named enemy. If Bush admits to having captured or taken him out (he feels like Osama was nailed by a sniper) then the war is over, so we need him to still be 'at large'.
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