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Postby Michael » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:34 am

.... an editorial view in our local paper. I've posted this guy's stuff before and it's generated some responses. Maybe this one will do the same:

http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050824/OPINION01/508240301/1018
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Re: For yoru consideration......

Postby William Thornton » Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:46 am

Michael wrote:.... an editorial view in our local paper. I've posted this guy's stuff before and it's generated some responses. Maybe this one will do the same:

http://www.press-citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050824/OPINION01/508240301/1018


wm:

Seems to me, Michael, that when leftist clergy write on such, you can count on a few things:

1. Discarding nationalism. We're just one in the neighborhood.
2. Economic funny business. I'm all for the moderation he proposes but how does it come? By law?
3. Social justice, in his case perhaps "socialist" justice might be a better fit.

I recommend that the democrats adopt such views and run on them in 06 and 08 because it would render them virtually unelectable. Go for it...
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Postby Haruo » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:15 pm

Chris wrote:Michael, I agree with most of what the man said. The only area of disagreement would be his gripe with employers who work their workers 24/7. I see nothing wrong with our "three-shift" work day. As long as there is a need for policemen, firemen, paramedics, and public transportation workers, and energy plant workers around the clock..there will be a need for folks to provide services for those workers, e.g. fast food, supermarkets, filling stations. The people who work nights and overnights still have time to spend with their families (though maybe not the "traditional times").


Chris, I don't think the guy is griping about the three-shift work day; what he's griping about is an economy where a lot of people have to work two or even three jobs just to stay afloat. People who work 80 or 100 hours a week and have to commute multiple directions in addition do not have a lot of time, traditional or otherwise, to spend with their families. Indeed, they may not even have enough time to sleep enough to commute safely much less be genuinely productive/responsive during their work hours. This sort of thing is widespread. Weren't you (I thought it was you) the one who posted a link a few months back to this: "Paul Streitz: The Three Job Economy"?

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Re: For yoru consideration......

Postby Haruo » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:16 pm

Chris wrote:
William wrote:1. Discarding nationalism. We're just one in the neighborhood.


Did the "Founding Fathers" have anything else in mind? Do you think they envisioned the US Empire that exists today, or that they would have seen that as a goal?


Some yes, some no. The Founding Fathers were a mixed bag.

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Postby Michael » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:26 pm

Wm: Discarding nationalism. We're just one in the neighborhood.


William, nationalism takes a second place to the Kingdom citizenship we as Christians have. I'm very grateful to have been born in and live in the US. However, my priorities in life are Christ-centered not US-centered (or whatever country one happens to hold citizenship in). It sometimes made things uncomfortable for my dad, a WW II vet. It does for others in my family who are vets and/ or are America- first in orientation.

Yes, America is just one in the neighborhood of organized people groups on this planet that Jesus died for. He plays no favorites - he loves Iraqis as much as even people from Georgia (the US one, I mean) My Lord is Christ not American nationalism. I await the barrage......
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