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Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:49 am
by Jon Estes
We now know we will not be returning to the villa.

Please be in prayer as the CDA is offering to open other event spaces (hotels) and we need to work through that process. Lots to do with Thanksgiving and Christmas in front of us.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:03 pm
by Sandy
DIdn't your church own that villa?

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:56 pm
by Jon Estes
Sandy wrote:DIdn't your church own that villa?


No.

The area we were in is an area of the Emirate where only locals can own property. Free Zones are around but churches are not recognized as a business and cannot have a license to operate, therefore cannot own land or buildings.

It’s not oppressive as some might say are found in other ME countries but the freedom to find a space and building is highly regulated. It seems we are in a time where some poor representations from a few church leaders caused a concern to put the thumb on all churches.

There is a lot to this, if time permits, I’ll see if I can find time to make it more clear.

The loss of the villa is sad but there has been Word they will work with us be able to use event space in a hotel.

We have 23 years worth of stuff to deal with. Things we will never use again because of hotels will provide most all we need.

There is not a market here for old church things.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:38 am
by Dave Roberts
Praying for you and your congregation in this time of transition.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:53 am
by Tim Bonney
I am sorry you have to move out! Blessings in the transition.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:00 pm
by Sandy
Jon Estes wrote:
Sandy wrote:DIdn't your church own that villa?


No.

The area we were in is an area of the Emirate where only locals can own property. Free Zones are around but churches are not recognized as a business and cannot have a license to operate, therefore cannot own land or buildings.

It’s not oppressive as some might say are found in other ME countries but the freedom to find a space and building is highly regulated. It seems we are in a time where some poor representations from a few church leaders caused a concern to put the thumb on all churches.

There is a lot to this, if time permits, I’ll see if I can find time to make it more clear.

The loss of the villa is sad but there has been Word they will work with us be able to use event space in a hotel.

We have 23 years worth of stuff to deal with. Things we will never use again because of hotels will provide most all we need.

There is not a market here for old church things.


Shipping costs probably make trying to sell all of that somewhere else a problem. I'll be praying that you get into a place that's consistently available and secure.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:04 pm
by Haruo
Jon Estes wrote:It seems we are in a time where some poor representations from a few church leaders caused a concern to put the thumb on all churches.

There is a lot to this, if time permits, I’ll see if I can find time to make it more clear.

Hope you can. Were the poor representations local or international?

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:46 am
by Jon Estes
Haruo wrote:
Jon Estes wrote:It seems we are in a time where some poor representations from a few church leaders caused a concern to put the thumb on all churches.

There is a lot to this, if time permits, I’ll see if I can find time to make it more clear.

Hope you can. Were the poor representations local or international?


They were Expats from US. The best way I can describe what I know is they clearly disrespected the authorities. Several problems with that, the most being the witness for Christ was dumped for selfish want. We are guests here and need to respect those whose home this is. That can be done without compromising our Christian witness and God's Word. One poor behavioral action affected all of us.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:18 pm
by Joseph Patrick
From Gerry Milligan...Jon, I spoke with a man who just came from Dubai and he filled me in as to the problems which arose from the blatant actions of some leaders in evangelical circles. I learned in the Emirates that most things are seen and by tweaking noses does no one any good. I will continue to keep EBC,I in my prayers. I remember being in the living room (which served as the "sanctuary") of the dentist who allowed the church to meet in his home. Keep up the work of God.

Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:03 am
by Jon Estes
Here are some pictures I took this morning of the villa we left in February and have been [hoping to return to. Our offices are still here (but packing next week to get out).

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Re: Good-Bye Villa

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:21 am
by Neil Heath
Jon, I'm sorry for the hassle this is causing your congregation. I hope you find a place better than the one you lost, so your church family can continue to be a light in your corner of the world.