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Pub Theology

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:07 pm

I’m seeing a lot of churches start small groups that meet a pubs, bars or wine bars to study the Bible, worship, or just fellowship. Are Baptist doing this? Or is this limited to groups who have been more open to beverage alcohol?
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby William Thornton » Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:23 am

The new Calvinists are into this, suds and theology stuff.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Tim Bonney » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:56 am

William Thornton wrote:The new Calvinists are into this, suds and theology stuff.


Interesting. I wonder why that group in particular? It is pretty popular in Iowa, pretty much cross denominations. Though I don't think I've heard of a Baptist church in this area sponsoring one. But there aren't many Baptists here either.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Haruo » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:50 am

Pretty sure I've seen a Baptist church here in Seattle do this at least once or twice. Probably First BC. Mostly though Lutherans and Episcopalians.

My dad tried to get a Bible study going at the Blue Moon as part of his campus ministry, but boy the churches put the kibosh on that when they heard about it! (Ca. 1965)
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Dave Roberts » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:40 pm

I am aware of a couple of Baptist churches doing some version of this in Virginia. Don't know much about how it is or isn't working.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Sandy » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:02 pm

Theology at the Bottleworks, with The Journey Church in St. Louis, which is an SBC-affiliated congregation.

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Re: Pub Theology

Postby JE Pettibone » Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:27 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:I’m seeing a lot of churches start small groups that meet a pubs, bars or wine bars to study the Bible, worship, or just fellowship. Are Baptist doing this? Or is this limited to groups who have been more open to beverage alcohol?


Ed: Tim I think you are on target, Churches that have a line in in their covenant saying "I will not participate the use or sale of alcohol as a beverage" would be reluctant to sponsor such a ministry.

But I am curious why this topic comes up in 2018. Such ministries have been around since at leas the mid 1970's.

Personaly I have some reservation about going into a commercial establishment and taking up space and distracting the wait staff for an hour or hour and a half or more, often while having only coffee and and pastries with more than four people.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby James » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:21 am

HBC does this. Some of our folks object to this. I told one of our contrarians that Betty (our pastor), who started the group was in good company. The Pharisees complained about Jesus for the same reason.

Betty's little group is growing slowly. The bar has a back room where the group meets. No one has to buy food or drink to come. One or two have joined us for worship on occasion. Most churches of my experience show a shorted time than ours between first visit and walking the isle. I think the longest interval for us was about 15 years. The nominating committee asked him to be a deacon and then discovered he was not a member. He joined in time to make the list.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:17 am

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Ed: Tim I think you are on target, Churches that have a line in in their covenant saying "I will not participate the use or sale of alcohol as a beverage" would be reluctant to sponsor such a ministry.

But I am curious why this topic comes up in 2018. Such ministries have been around since at leas the mid 1970's.

Personaly I have some reservation about going into a commercial establishment and taking up space and distracting the wait staff for an hour or hour and a half or more, often while having only coffee and and pastries with more than four people.


Ed, I had no idea that these kind of groups had been around that long! I only started hearing about them in the last half a dozen years.

I brought the subject up for a couple of reasons. A local church in our community has a Beer and Theology group at a local bar. It has mixed success as far as regularly of attendance. But the folks who go seem to be getting something out of it. I've attended a couple of times as the pastor is a UM colleague of mine.

Second, I'm looking to start a fellowship group from my church at a local wine bar that is just a block from our church. We are not looking at a Bible study per se. The plan is for this to start as a simple fellowship group for church members and others to get to know each other better. I have found in churches with multiple worship services that congregants often don't know other members of the church that well. And, we don't see as much connection between members outside of the church building as I'd like to see to build good long term relationships.

Also, we do have lots of small groups already that are Bible studies and other kinds of fellowship groups that fit different demographics.

Wine and beer aren't an issue for 99% of my congregation. The establishment has wine, beer, and soft drinks. So people who don't want to drink alcohol certainly would not have to or be expected to but I expect most folks attending will. This group won't be competing with my friends group that meets in a different location and honestly has a differently clientele. The folks in the bar he is in ministry with aren't the same folks who would hang out in the wine bar near us. (The bar he is at is honestly kind of a dive bar.)

Edit - Ed I failed to mention that the wine bar would love to have us there. The owners are a Christian couple from another congregation in town and we have purposefully picked a night where business is slow. So we won't interfere with their usual clientele.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby JE Pettibone » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:30 pm

Ed: Tim,if the owners of the wine bar are in favor, I see nothing wrong with giving it a try. A large percentage of the participants of the Methodist Church Singles ministry where I was introduced to singles ministry, generally adjourned to a nearby tavern after the Sunday evening event at the church.
However I don't think the Singles Minister ever went with us. I have never experienced that in a singles ministry sponsored by a Southern Baptist church. And also none of the ABC churches we have been, have had a Singles ministry, nor was I successful in promoting one.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:35 pm

JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Tim,if the owners of the wine bar are in favor, I see nothing wrong with giving it a try. A large percentage of the participants of the Methodist Church Singles ministry where I was introduced to singles ministry, generally adjourned to a nearby tavern after the Sunday evening event at the church.
However I don't think the Singles Minister ever went with us. I have never experienced that in a singles ministry sponsored by a Southern Baptist church. And also none of the ABC churches we have been, have had a Singles ministry, nor was I successful in promoting one.


That's how I feel about it. I think it is worth a try. There is no expectation in the UMC that I not drink or drinking or not be in a bar. I know at least on pastor in our community whose church would be upset if he even walked into the wine bar and ordered a coffee. But, that's his church's issue and not mine.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:49 pm

James wrote:The Pharisees complained about Jesus for the same reason.

I think that was what my dad said to my mom when he was complaining about the church ordering him not to do the Bible study at the Moon. ;)
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:53 pm

Haruo wrote:I think that was what my dad said to my mom when he was complaining about the church ordering him not to do the Bible study at the Moon. ;)


The more things change, the more they stay the same. I expect one or two older folks not to like it. But the group isn't aimed at them.

If someone isn't complaining it probably means you aren't doing anything.
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Blue Moon is good BBQ in Bama

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:45 am

Haruo wrote:Pretty sure I've seen a Baptist church here in Seattle do this at least once or twice. Probably First BC. Mostly though Lutherans and Episcopalians.

My dad tried to get a Bible study going at the Blue Moon as part of his campus ministry, but boy the churches put the kibosh on that when they heard about it! (Ca. 1965)


Better to buy it by the pint cause they will squirrel you with the sandwich.

Not exactly Pub Theology but I had a conversation with a fellow from St Pete last night whose career was in limo service. Said he's done 6 Super Bowls and Two national political conventions. Had a deal with the strip joints on the corridor between Pete/Tampa and Orlando in the 80s, most gone now.

We also talked about Kenny Stabler and my Dad's first cousin who was a Chaplain to Nascar.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Sandy » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:20 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:If someone isn't complaining it probably means you aren't doing anything.


Exactly.
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Re: Blue Moon is good BBQ in Bama

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:25 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:

We also talked about Kenny Stabler and my Dad's first cousin who was a Chaplain to Nascar.


While I like auto racing, we really don't have Nascar around here.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:25 pm

Here is the advertising for the start of my church’s small group meeting at a local bistro/wine bar.
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Re: Pub Theology

Postby Haruo » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:05 pm

I've attended Queen Anne Baptist's Pub Theology meetup several times now. Here's a photo from the latest one (click) (Dec. 6). The young lady at the near right is Rev. Mindi Welton-Mitchell, Queen Anne's pastor. The nearer of the two guys is Rev. Doug Avilesbernal, the Executive Minister of Evergreen. Rev. Paul Schneider is another Evergreen pastor. Anita Peebles is a lay woman from, I think, Seattle First Baptist. It's a semi-monthly event, first and third Thursdays. Originally it was held at T. S. McHugh's, an Irish pub about a block from Seattle Center (the urban park where the Space Needle, Chihuly Museum, Opera House etc. are located) but we had to move because McHugh's suddenly tore out most of their accessible (low) seating and installed a bunch of dart boards, shuffleboards, etc. So now it's at the Queen Anne Beerhall. I'm enjoying it, but I must say there hasn't been a whole lot of theology. Mostly just fellowship. And the Beerhall really does have good calamari, and ginger beer!
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