Liberty U Gone Berserk

[KeithE]

Posted on the Baptist History and Heritage Forum by none other than Stephen Fox, this needs to read by a wide audience.

[Haruo]

Thanks, Keith!

[Dave Roberts]

Hasn't just gone--been that way for a long time.

[Jon Estes]

What did LU do wrong or crazy?

Forbid someone from coming on their campus who has a record of verbal assault against LU?

Even this web site form has lines drawn that one should not cross if they want to be welcome here. I think we all support that. Why is the principle right for some and not others?

[Dave Roberts]

I am watching LU trying to get graduates into BGAV churches to steal churches for the SBCV. They operate under false pretenses, get the pastor in, and then he attacks to allegiances of the church and tells them that to follow God, they need to change state conventions. It that is ethical, I'm a monkey's uncle. Of course, the way Jerry, Sr., built Thomas Road was by giving bicycles and other rewards to the lucky bus rider and by standing out from other Baptists in Lynchburg by supporting segregation. I know, that's old news.

[Haruo]

Bob Jones still seems to be pretty pro-white.

[Jon Estes]

[Tim Bonney]

[Sandy]

Standing up against LU's white Christian nationalist perspective isn't "verbal assault." This guy's perspective is more consistent with Biblical principles than the school's perspective is. So he is banned from Campus, but they're OK putting a Mormon or an immoral philandering adulterer in their chapel speaking spot.

Among the ranks of the Christian school students and parents I work with, Liberty isn't a high choice.

[Haruo]

There's a fairly prominent though relatively new American Esperantist, Alex Miller, who graduated from Liberty (and whose father, I think, teaches there). He's written a couple of really cute bilingual children's books.

But I still mainly associate Liberty with , at least I think I do.

[Tim Bonney]

Junior’s full thoated suppor for Trump is bizarre at best. His father’s supporters in the “Moral Majority” of Jerry Senior’s days would be floored with Falwell Jr.’s support of Trump. I can’t think of a least personally moral man in the White House in my lifetime.

[Dave Roberts]

Every BGAV church listed as having a pastor leave receives resumes from the LU Divinity School, unsolicited. Those come blind, but as Tim pointed out, search committees often do not train on how to get a pastor who can lead them in chosen directions. In far too many churches, one good sermon and you are in.

[Jon Estes]

[Jon Estes]

[Dave Roberts]

[KeithE]

I’m going to ask a recent LU Sem graduate (on line student) about this practice of a ‘con in sheep’s clothing’ tactic. I suspect it is side cabal of on campus ministerial students / conniving profs - if it is real at all.

[Sandy]

[JE Pettibone]

[Tim Bonney]

[Dave Roberts]

[Jon Estes]

[Jon Estes]

[Dave Roberts]

My problem with LU is their confusion of Christianity and Americanism into the heresy or Americianity, a corruption of Christianity first identified in the writings of Robert McAfee Brown in the 1950's. Jon, you as an international pastor, should have this at the top of your list. The conflating of cultural values with those of Christ has always been, in my humble opinion, a form of idolatry that creates American exceptionalism and a sense that we as Americans share a special relationship with God, almost as a replacement for Israel. It also runs counter to the movement of Christianity which will soon, if it is not already, be centered in Africa and Latin America. Also, training drone pilots to bomb in the name of Christian America bothers me since Liberty trains more drone pilots for the US than any other institution. I realize this is just from me.

As far as LU's right to block someone from coming to their campus, I support that as much as I support more liberal institutions right to block conservative voices if they so choose. The property of univeersities is their property to administer as they see fit.

[Sandy]

[Tim Bonney]