Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Sandy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:02 pm

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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:14 pm

Sandy wrote:Pressler has to be well on his way to 90 years old by now.
Age 87, if his birth date on Wikipedia is reliable -- June 4, 1930.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Sandy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:28 pm

The story was picked up by the Baptist Standard.

https://www.baptiststandard.com/news/ba ... buse-suit/
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Foy Valentine son in law and Baylor's

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:34 pm

Baylor's WJ Wimpee now deceased were pursuing these rumors in the 80s. At one point when Pressler was nominated by Bush 41 to head the US Govt Ethics Office, The Nation Magazine reported the rumors surrounding Pressler grew quite "randy".

Foy's ex son in law Lee Berg, in the 80s a Harris County (Houston) pastor. I think Berg did his doctorate at Baylor on the religious right.

Pressler was hard wired to Jesse Helms politically and the Bircher Albert Lee Smith and some say as far back as Marney's days at FBC Austin Texas was hard core against Civil Rights progress and everything on the right side of history of LBJ, Jimmy Carter, etc.

In the last few years in Harris county he has been joined at the hip with Steven Hotze, I think a doctor; Hotze who came to Huntsville Alabama a few weeks ago to pick up the microphone as a religious leader in support of Roy Moore.

To Paraphrase that great man of the pulpit, the REv Jeremiah Wright: "The Chickens are coming Home to Roost."

And then of course there is what Harold Bloom said about the SBC Fundy takeover artists and the "Know Nothings" Lincoln faced in the 1850s, Molly Worthen on Inerrancy......Thornton knows the litany by now!
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Parker at Texas Monitor Site

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:40 pm

Here is what he said. You can go to Tex monitor site and read it for yourself


My brother was sexually assaulted in the mid 70’s by Paul Pressler in the showers at the Houston Country Club… After bible study. The influence he had over little boys was unquestionable, using God as way to gain their “trust”. My brother will not be seeking anything for he died in 1979, shortly after graduating from UT… I knew the Pressler family well, his daughter asked me to her junior Prom in 1982… My parents made me go… That was so hard… I fell in line with my parents and kept quiet… but as a child, I was disgusted why nothing was done… It was swept under the carpet… My parents told no one, all the kids knew because we lived in the house… How dare we challenge Pressler and his ill-gotten power… Believe what you will but I have quietly known the truth about Paul Pressler for over forty years and love the fact it has bubbled up before his death. There is a special place in hell for Paul Pressler.
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Dave Miller, SBC Voices and other sites Weigh In

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:32 pm

https://baptistnews.com/article/sbc-lea ... jRNl4-cEdV


Will be interesting to see how Dave Miller, Jerry Vines, FBC Spartanburg and Gardendale and Bellevue in Memphis and other strongholds of Baptist fundamentalism navigate this story in the coming months.

Pressler's stained glass window at SWBTS may not hold for long.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby William Thornton » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:06 pm

They'll navigate it like you navigate it, wait and see what happens.
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PhYLIA Schalafly and Eunie Smith

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:02 pm

What are the Concerned Women of America thinking about their fallen Patriot?

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/19/57191156 ... n-politics
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:16 pm

Baptist News Global reports that Pressler's lawyers have filed on the statute of limitations. This is probably good legal strategy, but that kind of strategy doesn't usually gather up the confidence of the rank and file.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:54 pm

Rvaughn wrote:Baptist News Global reports that Pressler's lawyers have filed on the statute of limitations. This is probably good legal strategy, but that kind of strategy doesn't usually gather up the confidence of the rank and file.


Hmm. I have zero knowledge of Texas law. But I thought statute of limitation applied to criminal cases and not civil cases?

(Glad I’m not a lawyer.)
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:00 pm

According to this site, there are statutes of limitation on civil cases in Texas.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:26 am

Guilty? --- No one on this forum knows.

Accused? --- All on this forum are aware of this.

Some things need to be discussed and debated. I am not sure if a debate among believers which condemn and convict the accused of this type of crime, is spiritually right.

If in the end of this P Pressler is found innocent, some will still believe he is guilty, just because he is of a different theological stripe than they. Others will resign their former guilty position and say, "oh well", silently and move on. What is left are the words of condemnation and bitterness we spewed previously.

Maybe that doesn't matter to some.

If in the end P Pressler is found guilty, the believer's role is not to celebrate (which I fear might happen among his haters).

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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Sandy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:43 am

Haruo wrote:
Sandy wrote:I'm not going to speculate. Pressler has to be well on his way to 90 years old by now. I hope the enemies he made among Baptists will be gracious and not vindictive if this turns out to be true.

I hope they find a way to be gracious that doesn't involve compounding the abuse. It's very hard sometimes to be gracious toward someone who abused another without appearing uncaring about that other.


Gracious in that they won't allow their distaste for his tactics and his actions to turn into some kind of triumphalism if it turns out he's guilty. There's no need for that, and it doesn't do anything for the victim. That battle was fought and the outcome was clear long ago, and being smarmy and smug about Pressler's past won't bring the old SBC back, it will only make the other side look as bad as they think he does.

There were many things done by Pressler, and the rest of the conservative resurgence, that are not worthy of the kind of integrity and consideration expected, and required, of the leaders of a Christian denomination. But the same could be said of the tight little clique that had been running the SBC for a couple of decades prior to their movement in 1979. The nepotism and exclusivity of the previous leadership was more about favor granting, using their influence to get friends or relatives in front of pulpit committees in "prominent" churches, or seminary professorships and leadership, or other denominational jobs. There's plenty of guilt to go around.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:52 am

In typical Pressler fashion, he is just going to dodge behind "statute of limitations" arguments, so it will never be clearly resolved.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:36 am

Sandy wrote:There were many things done by Pressler, and the rest of the conservative resurgence, that are not worthy of the kind of integrity and consideration expected, and required, of the leaders of a Christian denomination. But the same could be said of the tight little clique that had been running the SBC for a couple of decades prior to their movement in 1979. The nepotism and exclusivity of the previous leadership was more about favor granting, using their influence to get friends or relatives in front of pulpit committees in "prominent" churches, or seminary professorships and leadership, or other denominational jobs. There's plenty of guilt to go around.


I've heard the argument for years excusing the takeover crowd because the moderates weren't doing everything right either. It is bad ethics and it is worse theology.

Who knows what Pressler did and didn't do. But he should neither be assumed guilty or assumed to be untouchable just because it is or was a big wheel in the SBC. We will all stand before the Supreme Judge one day who will sort everything out.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Sandy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:50 pm

I'm not excusing or justifying the conservative resurgence based on how the SBC was operated by those in leadership positions prior to 1979. Pressler was part of the leadership of a group that figured out how to use the SBC's distribution of appointment power to their advantage. Issues in the denomination that came to the surface during the previous couple of decades pointed them to a means of uncovering a significantly large supportive constituency that was willing and able to sustain the messenger majority they needed to permanently alter the direction of the denomination. It was a political movement, using political tactics from within, and Pressler, the lawyer and judge, was a key figure in the mechanics of locating the weak points in the apparatus itself, and exploiting them. In the process of doing so, he made enemies, though he and his supporters were entitled to have as much of a say in who ran the SBC as those they replaced.

This is a separate accusation, not proven at this point, and unrelated to his activities involving the SBC. Whether you consider him an enemy or not, it would be wrong for that to generate an attitude of reveling in his guilt.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:07 pm

Sandy, I don’t give a flying whatever as it if Pressler did or didn’t do what he is accused of doing. I’ve not been a Southern Baptist in 25 years. None of it matters any more.

I’m just always amazed at the mental gymnastics people will use to excuse bad behavior in response to what they see as bad behavior. The old “two wrongs don’t make a right” rings pretty true in the SBC. Right now, even if the old order of Baptist leadership were restored in all its moderate glory, I’d not become a Baptist again. So, other than noticing that people who are often high and mighty are the ones to take a big fall, I have no dog in this fight. :wink:
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Sandy » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:25 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote: I’d not become a Baptist again.


Well, we have that in common.
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:57 am

Sandy wrote:
Timothy Bonney wrote: I’d not become a Baptist again.


Well, we have that in common.


And we seem to have our secular politics fairly in common. :)
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Re: Pressler Accused of 35 years of Sodomy

Postby Sandy » Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:16 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:
Sandy wrote:
Timothy Bonney wrote: I’d not become a Baptist again.


Well, we have that in common.


And we seem to have our secular politics fairly in common. :)


And probably more theology than we'd admit.
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