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Re: Demons and Demonization

Postby Mrs Haruo » Thu May 18, 2017 4:04 pm

I used to do respite care for families with severely disabled children. One of my client families had a severely autistic son who was about 8 years old. He was non-verbal, sweet and very affectionate when he was calm, but if over stimulated by flashing lights or too much noise could melt down into a destructive, screaming banshee. His family moved out to acreage in a rural neighborhood hoping the quiet and distance from neighboring homes might make Donny's occasional screaming fits happen less often and be less disturbing to neighbors. Soon after moving in, a neighbor invited the family to their church. It turned out to be a Pentacostal church with a great deal of emotional ad libbing to the singing, plus a raucous "Praise band" with loud percussion complete with light show. Donny's parents could sense Donny was starting get upset and tried to get up and leave, but heard the neighbor call out "Thats the little boy I was telling you about! And a group of well-meaning but ignorant people surrounded the family and started "praying the devil" out of Danny, which frightened him all the more. He went into a kicking, screaming meltdown, meanwhile his father had to threaten to call the police to get out of that church- the pastor was so determined to "Cast the Devil" out of their son. :o
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Re: Demons and Demonization

Postby Jon Estes » Thu May 18, 2017 7:53 pm

Sandy wrote:
Rvaughn wrote:
Jon Estes wrote:Mental illness is real also but should not be tied directly to demon possession in all cases. Mental illness is here because of sin, not demons though I believe demons can manifest themselves through some they possess in mental illness type of behaviors.
To me this is important, to not blame the mentally ill with being demon possessed, and to not pass off demon possession as mental illness. If so, much discernment is imperative!


I don't believe mental illness is demon possession. I believe that people characterized it as such when they didn't know better. I also think that "demon possession" becomes a means by which people characterize depravity, and what amounts to evil that is present in human nature. I don't see any place in scripture that actually distinguishes whether an "unclean spirit", as the term is often translated, is an external being, or the sin nature of the person who has it. Both things fit that terminology.

Without going down the road of a free will argument, how would a person become "possessed" by a demon? Is it an "indwelling" in the same way that a human spirit is indwelled by the Holy Spirit when they receive Christ? And if so, a person could refuse a demon the same way they can refuse Christ, and not be "possessed." Otherwise, if a demon can possess someone who resists, then that makes them more powerful than Christ.


From my experience in this area, the person possessed made some sort of invite to the demon. The ones I have experience with did not understand what they were doing but opened the door enough to let the demon in their life. The demon enters willfully but will not leave the same way.
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Re: Demons and Demonization

Postby Rvaughn » Thu May 18, 2017 10:15 pm

Sandy wrote:I don't believe mental illness is demon possession. I believe that people characterized it as such when they didn't know better. I also think that "demon possession" becomes a means by which people characterize depravity, and what amounts to evil that is present in human nature. I don't see any place in scripture that actually distinguishes whether an "unclean spirit", as the term is often translated, is an external being, or the sin nature of the person who has it. Both things fit that terminology.
I also do not believe mental illness is demon possession. But I do believe it is possible that some things that might be thought to be something else could be demon possession (or oppression or demonization or whatever some choose to call it). I find it hard to believe, in the case of the demoniac of Gadara for example (Luke 8:26-39), that the Lord himself didn't know better than to think mental illness was a demon (or an army of them).
Without going down the road of a free will argument, how would a person become "possessed" by a demon? Is it an "indwelling" in the same way that a human spirit is indwelled by the Holy Spirit when they receive Christ? And if so, a person could refuse a demon the same way they can refuse Christ, and not be "possessed." Otherwise, if a demon can possess someone who resists, then that makes them more powerful than Christ.
If there is no demon possession, then there is nothing related to free will or anything else that caused it to happen, since it didn't happen. But if a case of Jesus himself talking to demons with/in a man (and casting them into swine rather than the abyss) is an accurate account, then our lack of understanding how one became possessed should not make us dismiss it altogether.
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