End of White Christian America

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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby JE Pettibone » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:08 am

William Thornton wrote:
Chris wrote:
William Thornton wrote:...solution ... is for white folks to have more babies.

What became of the "full quiver" movement?


I have been around a few but don't see many these days. It wasn't much of a movement I suppose.


Ed: William, I think you will find it still alive and well among SBTS Alumni post 92. Until we relocated last October we where still receiving the alumni Magazine, it seemed to report on a number od alumni with more than the national average of children.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Jim » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:11 am

The ending of white Christian America is in process. In fact, the professional social engineers are continually proclaiming the ending process now of white America as a social/cultural entity being slightly slowed presently by a minuscule uptick in white births that will begin slowing soon. The reason, of course, is that the birth-rate of whites is approaching the number at which white births will not enable a white majority, some say by 2050, when the largest segment of the population will be Latino, with the white segment second and the black contingent third largest. Having babies is simply too inconvenient, especially in the two-earner households in which having “things” is more important than promulgating the white population. The Latinos already outnumber the blacks. The U.S. is emulating Europe in this forfeiting of the culture that has made it the preeminent world government. The European biggies like France, Germany and Britain have invited Muslim immigrants to sustain their governments both financially and structurally but did so in the profound ignorance of the breeding habits, much less the bloody sanguinary mandates, of Islamists, among whom a man can have four wives at a time—Sharia law. This must not happen in the U.S. Far better Latino than Arabic/Muslim, remarked recently by the scores of Christians murdered in their churches in Egypt by suicide/bombers.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Chris » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:20 am

Jim wrote:The ending of white Christian America is in process. In fact, the professional social engineers are continually proclaiming the ending process now of white America as a social/cultural entity being slightly slowed presently by a minuscule uptick in white births that will begin slowing soon. The reason, of course, is that the birth-rate of whites is approaching the number at which white births will not enable a white majority, some say by 2050, when the largest segment of the population will be Latino, with the white segment second and the black contingent third largest. Having babies is simply too inconvenient, especially in the two-earner households in which having “things” is more important than promulgating the white population. The Latinos already outnumber the blacks. The U.S. is emulating Europe in this forfeiting of the culture that has made it the preeminent world government. The European biggies like France, Germany and Britain have invited Muslim immigrants to sustain their governments both financially and structurally but did so in the profound ignorance of the breeding habits, much less the bloody sanguinary mandates, of Islamists, among whom a man can have four wives at a time—Sharia law. This must not happen in the U.S. Far better Latino than Arabic/Muslim, remarked recently by the scores of Christians murdered in their churches in Egypt by suicide/bombers.


Based on what I was taught in school, Hispanics are Caucasians and, I suspect, most Muslims are also Caucasians. That makes them "white". I think when Jim refers to "white", he means Anglo White.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Sandy » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:05 pm

Jim wrote:The ending of white Christian America is in process. In fact, the professional social engineers are continually proclaiming the ending process now of white America as a social/cultural entity being slightly slowed presently by a minuscule uptick in white births that will begin slowing soon. The reason, of course, is that the birth-rate of whites is approaching the number at which white births will not enable a white majority, some say by 2050, when the largest segment of the population will be Latino, with the white segment second and the black contingent third largest. Having babies is simply too inconvenient, especially in the two-earner households in which having “things” is more important than promulgating the white population. The Latinos already outnumber the blacks. The U.S. is emulating Europe in this forfeiting of the culture that has made it the preeminent world government. The European biggies like France, Germany and Britain have invited Muslim immigrants to sustain their governments both financially and structurally but did so in the profound ignorance of the breeding habits, much less the bloody sanguinary mandates, of Islamists, among whom a man can have four wives at a time—Sharia law. This must not happen in the U.S. Far better Latino than Arabic/Muslim, remarked recently by the scores of Christians murdered in their churches in Egypt by suicide/bombers.


I must admit, this post has been a little difficult to characterize from a philosophical perspective. There are a couple of directions to go with this.

Concepts like "white Christian America," or white America as a social/cultural entity, and statements bemoaning the "white birth rate" as opposed to that of Latinos and African Americans lack a sense of understanding of American history, or of what is genuinely American culture. America is the blending of cultures, that of the various European language and ethnic groups which came here and through all of what it took to survive, built a nation. "Latinos" are one of the elements of that, not a separate racial or cultural entity, just those whose European connection is to Spain or Portugal instead of one of the northern European nations. They are also more of a blending with the native American population. African Americans are as much a part of that blend, and as much a part of that history, going back to its origins. The idea that "white Christian America" was somehow superior to everyone else, or was in some way the most important element or determiner of what America became has its roots in the fantasyland of white supremacist philosophy, not fact.

Then there's the statement that "the US is emulating Europe in this forfeiture of culture that has made it the preeminent world government."

Actually, what made the US the preeminent world government, if that's the case, was not emulating Europe in any way shape or form. Europe was a patchwork of nationalist interests, pushed by "divine right" monarchies based on an aristocratic structure that only counted people of means and "breeding" as humans, and considered everyone else the refuse of humanity. Cultures were built inwardly, around common nationalities, racial heritages and religious bigotry. Though mostly of the same racial origins, Europeans hatred of each other contributed to an incredible lack of unity that caused an almost constant state of war which depleted national resources, and prevented progress. Those who were not of the same language and cultural grouping bore the brunt of the fury every time there was war and upheaval, the Jews being the most frequent victims, and the Muslims, as they migrated into Spain and the Balkans. There was a lot of that sort of thing in America, too, but Americans became what they were by dropping all of the silly, aristocratic, monarchic, religious bigotry and European baggage. It was strength in diversity, not white supremacy, that made this nation "the preeminent world government." It's certainly not been perfect or always peaceful, and this alt-right, white supremacy garbage raises its ugly head from time to time.

I wonder if native Americans looked around back in the late 1600's, and saw the end of Native American culture?
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Jim » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:43 pm

Sandy wrote:
Jim wrote:The ending of white Christian America is in process. In fact, the professional social engineers are continually proclaiming the ending process now of white America as a social/cultural entity being slightly slowed presently by a minuscule uptick in white births that will begin slowing soon. The reason, of course, is that the birth-rate of whites is approaching the number at which white births will not enable a white majority, some say by 2050, when the largest segment of the population will be Latino, with the white segment second and the black contingent third largest. Having babies is simply too inconvenient, especially in the two-earner households in which having “things” is more important than promulgating the white population. The Latinos already outnumber the blacks. The U.S. is emulating Europe in this forfeiting of the culture that has made it the preeminent world government. The European biggies like France, Germany and Britain have invited Muslim immigrants to sustain their governments both financially and structurally but did so in the profound ignorance of the breeding habits, much less the bloody sanguinary mandates, of Islamists, among whom a man can have four wives at a time—Sharia law. This must not happen in the U.S. Far better Latino than Arabic/Muslim, remarked recently by the scores of Christians murdered in their churches in Egypt by suicide/bombers.


I must admit, this post has been a little difficult to characterize from a philosophical perspective. There are a couple of directions to go with this.

It is a bit deep, at that. Give it up and just try a bit of common sense, if available. If not, consult Plato's Symposium for a look at the kind of life a certified philosopher should lead...filled with ecstasies and depth. As for directions, just do as Yogi so eloquently put it: "If you come to a fork in the road, take it."
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I wonder if native Americans looked around back in the late 1600's, and saw the end of Native American culture?


They probably did, recognizing the end of the Native American Culture of the Native Americans they had just turned into chopped liver in order to install their own Native American Culture. Probably happened in the late 1200s, too. Great point you made there!
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Sandy » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:39 pm

Well, Jim, the lack of clarity in most of what you write leaves room for interpretation. I wasn't sure whether your remarks were the result of being ignorant of history and a lack of willingness to consider facts, or whether it was the kind of racist bigotry we've seen that is characteristic of groups like the National Socialist party or the KKK. But you cleared that up. I got it.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Jim » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:50 am

Sandy wrote:Well, Jim, the lack of clarity in most of what you write leaves room for interpretation. I wasn't sure whether your remarks were the result of being ignorant of history and a lack of willingness to consider facts, or whether it was the kind of racist bigotry we've seen that is characteristic of groups like the National Socialist party or the KKK. But you cleared that up. I got it.

Clarity, like beauty, is in the eye (mind) of the beholder. If you’re lost in trying to interpret something that doesn’t exist (my LACK of clarity), I sympathize and suggest you be busy interpreting something that does exist. For instance, you could interpret how my ignorance of history has led to my LACK of clarity. Get it? You could interpret how my un-willingness to consider facts has led to that ignorance of history. Get it? Or, you could interpret how my racist bigotry (clever redundancy for emphasis) has contributed to the un-willingness itself. Get it? Of course, you said you got it, so it’s back to square one…but keep trying. Maybe the effort will get your mind off the election. If not, just infiltrate the nearest KKK outfit so that you can report any of its planned attacks upon whatever group is to be affected and thus report it to the nearest law-gang.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Sandy » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:50 pm

Beauty is in the mind of the beholder. Clarity depends on the way that an idea is expressed. You're obviously quite miffed about declining white birth rates, whining that the Latino population will outnumber whites at some point in then near future, and that we're "emulating" Europe by welcoming in large ethnic and religious minorities that are somehow counter to the social/cultural identity of "white America". Well, "white Christian America" is a myth that never existed. Native Americans were not easily assimilated, but of course were here long before white Europeans. African Americans were brought as slaves from the earliest days of colonization, and Latinos resulted from the influence of Spain as a major world power. America was never exclusively white, nor Christian.

Our culture is enriched and broadened by the presence of people from all over the world. Far more of them contribute to our society and culture than cause harm. For 16 years, I lived in Sugar Land, a suburb of Houston on the southwest side of the metro area. It was a suburb of mostly newer subdivisions, built since the 80's. In addition to a dozen Christian churches of various types, within about a five mile radius of my house you could find two Buddhist temples (one right across the street from a mosque), two mosques, a Hindu temple, a mar thoma Christian church, a synagogue, an Eastern Orthodox church that had Greek, Romanian and Serbian language services, a large African American SBC congregation, and at least two large Spanish speaking congregations. There were neighborhoods in the Alief area north of there where ethnic minorities clustered together, but in Sugar Land, you could walk down just about any street in any subdivision, and find a dozen different ethnicities or racial backgrounds in just a few blocks. For some reason, our particular little subdivision, three streets and a couple of cul-de-sacs, had a lot of Jewish families, but there were several Indian and Pakistani families, and our neighbors were Latino. No crime issues to speak of, and the high school football team was a rally point for the community. Soccer, of course, was huge, and our Christian school drew many of its students from that immediate area. That's the sort of thing that makes this country great. It's who we are. Oh, did I mention, most of these folks were American Citizens by choice?

"White Christian" America is an oxymoron.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Mrs Haruo » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:47 pm

:thumb: Sandy. Our neighborhood is much like the one you wrote of in Texas. The American Baptist church I am a member of was founded to minister to Japanese immigrants but now is a widely diverse group. We have some wonderful pot luck dinners, believe me!
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Dave Roberts » Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:01 am

When I created this post, it was more as a reminder for those of us in Baptist life that our churches are too white, too anglophile, too much associated with a dying cultural model. It has been interesting to see how it has become about the white birth rate and not about how we adjust to what is coming. The author of the study was, IMHO, neither endorsing or bemoaning the change but rather providing statistical and anecdotal evidence of how our society has changed across the years. The resistance to this is much like the Anglo resistance to the Scots coming (since they were heretic Presbyterians), the Irish and Italians coming (since they were Catholic), more Jews coming since they would not be Christian, and the arrival of Slavs from Eastern Europe (since they would be various varieties of Orthodox Christianity). We are a changing nation without question, but what we make of it, especially as Christians, will determine what kind of America and what kind of Christianity we bequeath to the generations that come after us.
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Re: End of White Christian America

Postby Sandy » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:13 pm

JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Sandy the last line of you reply to Jim is both Crude and rude based on your own biased opinion.

If you come to Florida you will find you will find hundreds of "Ethnic" churches comprised of different people groups who use CHURCH as a part of maintain contact with their own heritage.


After reading everything that Jim wrote here, I would think that the last line of my reply is not as crude and rude as you think. And it's not based on my own biased opinion.
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