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Re: Institution of Chinmoku

Postby Sandy » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:43 pm

Chris wrote:
Sandy wrote: Jesus believed that marriage was between one man and one woman,


And...where does He say that? Jacob, David, and Solomon had more than "one woman". If you want to include servants, then we could throw in Abraham, as well.


Matthew 19:4-6, specifically. Jacob, David, and Solomon all did have more than one wife, but I don't see any requirement for that, other than custom, and no endorsement or approval of it anywhere by God, and certainly not by Jesus in the New Testament, which seems to be the requirement for interpreting verses related to sexuality. In this passage, he actually mentions two becoming one twice. Yes, the passage is in the context of divorce, but it is a definitive statement from Jesus on marriage.
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Re: Institution of Chinmoku

Postby KeithE » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:29 pm

Sandy wrote:
Chris wrote:
Sandy wrote: Jesus believed that marriage was between one man and one woman,


And...where does He say that? Jacob, David, and Solomon had more than "one woman". If you want to include servants, then we could throw in Abraham, as well.


Matthew 19:4-6, specifically. Jacob, David, and Solomon all did have more than one wife, but I don't see any requirement for that, other than custom, and no endorsement or approval of it anywhere by God, and certainly not by Jesus in the New Testament, which seems to be the requirement for interpreting verses related to sexuality. In this passage, he actually mentions two becoming one twice. Yes, the passage is in the context of divorce, but it is a definitive statement from Jesus on marriage.


Matt 19:3-6

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.


This is just saying a man and wife should not let anyone separate them (like the man or the woman or your mother-in-law or minister) for any reason.

It says zero about a man and a man (or woman and woman) union of any sort. God created homosexuals as well. No one should try to separate that union either.

Conservatives in the church (no less) have been trying to separate same-sex marriages (lately elevating it to a divisive issue within the church and even a political issue). Exodus, International tried and has finally given up and apologized for that. Alan Chambers Apologizes to Gay Community, Exodus International to Shut Down from Christianity Today.

Straight reading of text. Culture has hijacked that passage on several scores.
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