Abstinence, True Love Waits flawed

[Stephen Fox]

With this book the last nail pretty much on the coffin.

Click on the transcript; fascinating interview

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/18/64873714 ... s-a-threat

[Sandy]

I'd say that her view of the teaching of sexual purity in the church is flawed, or distorted, or the church she belonged to approached it much differently than the vast majority of others do. I'm quite familiar with several approaches to teaching sexual purity to teenagers and pre-teens, and I've never seen anything in the materials that say the slightest thing about the whole responsibility resting on girls, because guys are sexually weak. And it is quite a leap from encouragement to dress modestly to "body shaming." The two things are not the same.

Obviously, the way the content is taught is up to those who teach it, but you can't judge the whole movement by one aberration.

I'm just going to ask, because the question here is obvious. Do you think teaching abstinence is wrong? Your moderate Baptist friends teach it, some of them use "True Love Waits," some use "The Silver Ring Thing," and other curriculum to do this. Most mainline Protestants teach it as well and some of them have publishing houses that have developed curriculum to teach it.

[Dave Roberts]

The largest problem I have seen with True Love Waits is the way it handles kids who fail. They have been shamed in some churches and girls who may have become pregnant were asked to leave the group or the church. The ideal is important, but ministry to the hurting is also how we teach.

[William Thornton]

That was true, Dave, prior to TLW and similar canned abstinence programs.

[Tim Bonney]

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

[Tim Bonney]

[Tim Bonney]

[Haruo]

[JE Pettibone]

ED; What percentage of the general youth population do you guys believe ever gave the True love waits any serious thought.

My guess would be girls 27 % boys 18%

[JE Pettibone]

[Haruo]

[Dave Roberts]

[Tim Bonney]

[Tim Bonney]

Accuser number three has just come forward. The Senate Judiciary Committee needs to step back, suspend any scheduled vote and do a careful investigation. Any other lesser job the job offer would be withdrawn by now for the sake of the reputation of the institution. There are a lot of other conservative judges that could be nominated who hold similar values to Kavanaugh.

[JE Pettibone]

[Jim]

I see a strong probability that the accuser will not show because she is ill and cannot appear until later, thus attempting to forestall any immediate resolution. The repubs might fall for this since they seem to lack the backbone to get the job done. The lady has already indicated that she was drunk, doesn't remember time or place or date, how she arrived at the “party,” how she got away from the meanies or how she got home. Other than that, she's perfectly credible. Other accusers will be “found,” as in the Clarence Thomas lynching (with Biden in the chair in 1991), but the current con-game has gone far enough. It's strictly a political issue and the truth is of no use, just whatever tactics can be employed.

[Sandy]

[William Thornton]

Well, we already had a sex abuser, accused rapist as POTUS, so why all the agonizing over SCOTUS?

Looking for the tweets from dems, "We believe J. Broderick."

All politics but will probably meant he death of metoo.

Probably going fishing tomorrow. The republic will survive...

[Sandy]

Well, if you apply the current conservative perspective, boys will be boys and Broderick, Willey, Flowers and the others who accused Clinton were lying. That's all OK now, anyway, under the new Franklin Graham endorsed Evangelical Christian way of thinking. It's all relative.

Stephen may be right about True Love Waits being flawed. Perhaps the new program should be called "Be One of the Boys" and include practice sessions with instructions on how to take your pants off after you've gotten yourself blind drunk. Bet that increases Wednesday night attendance. I've heard kids tell other kids that their churches are becoming more "open minded" about things like this. Trump does it and gets away with it. A potential Supreme Court justice was a party boy who couldn't keep his zipper up at frat gatherings. Franklin Graham is OK with it. Why not?

[Jim]

And then, of course, there's the truism that “girls will be girls,” the local phase/craze being to appear in public as nude as possible as seen daily on the “news/talking-head” shows on which, while the men are dressed to the nines neck to toe, the gals show as much as possible – that “come hither” approach used by the ladies of the night, not to mention on college campuses whereon the gals go to frat parties to get drunk and for a little action but now are learning that their next-day accusations are not worth warm spit. The ladies have hit the mother-lode of opportunism – just accuse some guy of most anything and his goose is cooked, perception being all that matters, not facts. I'm watching the big hearing and have just witnessed the lady saying she doesn't even know who paid for her precious (and useless) polygraph. One lady acts for all the old republican men and the dems all make their apathetic speeches and scream for the FBI to get it on, something that could have been done months ago except that the accusations came well AFTER the hearing had been completed.

[Dave Roberts]

[Sandy]

[Jon Estes]