Dave Roberts wrote:For years, the main groups going to the SBC from NC flew on Marse Grant's charter planes that usually left from Raleigh and Charlotte. Most of these were from churches ranging from 400 to about 1500 members, and while moderates may have predominated, there were folks on those charters from all stripes of the convention's spectrums. It was in the 1980's when M. O. Owens and others began organizing bus tours to the SBC and enlisting pastors from other churches. In NC, many of these were churches that had simply not been interested in the SBC and were certainly only miniscule supporters of the state convention and Cooperative Program. They gave designated funds to some state and SBC causes but had not given support to the main body of either convention in several years. Suddenly they were organizing efforts to get more votes to the SBC. While some smaller church pastors went, most of those boarding those bus tours from NC were from churches that had been sending no one but who suddenly sent their full complement to support Adrian Rogers. Small churches did not have the financial resources to send pastors and others. I've seen a number of their budgets from the 1970's and 1980's, and those budgets might have included $100 for the state convention but never supported trips for the SBC.
Ed: Dave, thanks for filling in some of the blanks, but when you you mention "Marse Grant's charter planes" that left from Raleigh and Charlotte, who or what was Marse Grant? Did those who utilized that mode of transportation travel free or was it sort of a co-op charter? You seem to indicate that it was first come first served is that correct? Also When "M.O. Owens" (?) and others organized tours to the SBC who footed the bill and where the buses available to to all?
And Dave you talk about (i think, Owens) and those organizing these tours enlisting pastors from other churches that had shown miniscule interest in the state convention and the cooperative program. These churches how ever did, you report, give designated funds to some state and SBC causes. Did whatever selected causes they contributed to, or did not contribute to, have anything to do with which churches where or where not recruited for these trips. If not what enticement did the organizers offer? And why did these churches give a flip about Adrian Rogers getting elected.
* Note: I am attempting to keep my personal views to a minimum. Here I may sound a bit argumentative but do not mean to be so. But when you say "Small churches did not have the financial resources to send pastors and others. I've seen a number of their budgets from the 1970's and 1980's, and those budgets might have included $100 for the state convention but never supported trips for the SBC."
I want to ask did hose churches not have the financial resources or where they simply not willing to commit resources to causes they found suspect. Also I remember that in the 70's, $100 went a lot further. In those day I was traveling full time for the State of Indiana and getting 10 cents a mile and $10.00 Per-diam for meals, plus I could be reimbursed for up to $27.50 for a hotel room. I seldom spent the full room allowance although I could have spent more, I pocketed at least a dollar a day some times three, from the per-diam, at the tops, coffee was 25 cents usually with free refills, plus I felt the 10cents a mile was generous.
And Tim you make a good point about the conservatives who served as SBC presidents prior to the resurgence and yes the power to appoint was always there but prior to to the Pressler Patterson alliance, for the most part both conservatives and moderates demonstrated an interest in promoting the Kingdom of God over personal ambition. I do not know that either group was totally altruistic but they did recognize the need for cooperation. In something of a symbiotic relationship.