Lest We Forget

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

There's plenty more besides this and besides the Mueller report which, if you've read it, describes in detail actions by this President to stonewall an investigation into similar actions by his campaign that rise to the level of Watergate. Outside the Mueller report, there's more. But deep partisan politics and single minded commitment to the "culture war" are disabling the ability of Congress to do its job.

Do some research into the Clinton impeachment. Comparatively, the GOP went after him based on a lawsuit filed in a sexual harassment case by Paula Jones. The case was really going nowhere due to the inability of Jones to produce evidence and Clinton used the same claim Trump is now using, that a sitting President cannot be indicted, to postpone but the Supreme Court ruled that the case could go ahead. Jones' attorney found Monica Lewinsky and when her name appeared on the witness list, he tried to affect her testimony as well as that of Betty Currie, his secretary. He claimed he did not have sexual relations with Lewinsky. Though Jones never proved her case, Congress initiated impeachment proceedings based on Clinton lying to Congress about his relationship with Lewinsky and obstruction of justice by trying to interfere with her status as a witness. So basically one count of lying to Congress and one count of obstruction.

The Mueller Report alone contains ten general counts of obstruction, with several different specific incidents under each count. The incidents involving Trump's fixer, Michael Cohen, add up to another dozen or so. The number of Trump administration officials who have been directly ordered not to provide any information to Congress and not to show up in response to subpoenas is now close to a dozen, and Cory Lewandowski's appearance week before last should count for a whole case of obstruction on its own. The number of incidents of "high crimes and misdemeanors" surrounding Trump is Nixonesque. The fact that he's spent three years denying "collusion" with Russia while going right ahead and doing exactly the same thing involving Ukraine should have every single member of the House and Senate regardless of their party affiliation rising up to protect their country instead of caring about their political rear ends. Now he is threatening the individual who is the "whistleblower" and it wasn't exactly a veiled threat.

Quid Pro Quo and "what's in it for me" has been Trump's M.O. all of this business life. It's unfortunate enough that sort of thing fits well with American business ethics, but it doesn't work in a constitutional republic. It should literally scare the insides out of us that a President has, on more than one occasion over the course of two election cycles, compromised our election process with foreign involvement and it should scare us even more that there are people out there who either just don't get it, or who still defend the guy regardless of what he has done because they think he's helping them in their culture war. If he's allowed to get away with it, then we all better brush up on our Russian.

[Joseph Patrick]

[Joseph Patrick]

[Sandy]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics ... index.html

I happened to be home yesterday due to an unfortunate incident with an air conditioning unit, and watched this tirade, which he conducted in front of the President of FInland. It was an embarrassment to this country. I've never thought the man was ever anything except a narcissistic egotist with a lot of money who cares about nothing but his own pleasure. He has no convictions, no values, and has lived his life and conducted his business accordingly. The lies and mythology spread by people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the extremist right wing media and the lust for power by self-proclaimed celebrity leaders of the religious right enabled him. He may well be insane, not just a figure of speech but genuinely insane.

If he didn't do anything wrong, then just come out with the facts to prove it. If what Trump and his apologists claim they did is true, then releasing the transcript of the call and all of the records involving the American Military aid would make this all go away. Why move heaven and earth to keep an independent investigation from happening if you didn't do anything wrong? And why do all of your associates named in this mess feel the need to lawyer up and stay quiet? Could it be because he's turned on so many of his former associates, many who have had to take the fall for him, that the need for covering one's own rear is a natural reaction when the orange headed buffoon is involved? I'll concede this point, Trump didn't do anything wrong in his own mind and by his standards. The man's m.o. for all of his business life has been to cheat, lie and steal and his personal life has been to cheat, lie and use his money to get what he wants.

And then there's this. https://www.apnews.com/f7ba2667deda489ea7eb3e173944e734

That's all the evidence necessary to justify his impeachment and removal.

[Tim Bonney]

I've been out of town and away from the internet most of the last ten days. So, other than seeing news reports, I've not been that engaged. If I knew leaving the US for a few days would help lead to an impeachment investigation I'd have done it months ago.

[William Thornton]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. You want a mess? This will be a mess.

[Haruo]

I agree. Luckily most of us are old enough that if we don't survive, so...?

[Sandy]

[Joseph Patrick]

[Tim Bonney]

[Dave Roberts]

Bubba and his buddies who plan their civil war if Trump is removed from office wouldn't last long. Ever seen the firepower of one Abrams tank?

[William Thornton]

You could quote him correctly, Dave, and avoid the silly point.

[Tim Bonney]

[Sandy]

[KeithE]

[KeithE]

[William Thornton]

You guys are nuts.

[Sandy]

[Joseph Patrick]

[Haruo]

[Dave Roberts]

All this time I have believed God wants spiritual fruits. Now folks like Jeffers tell me that God wants "religious nuts."