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SBC Voices

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:58 pm
by Joseph Patrick
From Gerry Milligan...Dave Miller has a very interesting article, "Donald Trump, Evangelicals, and Blasphemy." The comments section says a lot about where never-trumpers and trump lovers stand.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:05 am
by Haruo
I have a comment awaiting moderation.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:40 am
by William Thornton
I approved your comment haruo. I daresay, there's not a nevertrumper of SBCV who wouldn't vote for a decent alternative. If any of the current dems get the nomination and maintain their free stuff, Medicare for all, abortion now and forever whenever, reparations, make America apologize again, etc., many of the nevertrumpers become hold your nose and vote trumpers.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 8:56 am
by Sandy
William Thornton wrote:I approved your comment haruo. I daresay, there's not a nevertrumper of SBCV who wouldn't vote for a decent alternative. If any of the current dems get the nomination and maintain their free stuff, Medicare for all, abortion now and forever whenever, reparations, make America apologize again, etc., many of the nevertrumpers become hold your nose and vote trumpers.


Nope, that's not going to happen. Trump is making nevertrumpers out of a good segment of Republicans. Most voters know campaigning is exactly that. The Democrats are pretty much free to debate policy and practice all they want because in November of 2020, they're going to win big. This movement started shortly after he was elected, when voters woke up and realized staying home had consequences and the consequences were electing an orange headed buffoon to the presidency. That won't happen again.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartandhp

https://nuntiatum.home.blog/2019/08/19/ ... y-in-2020/

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:14 am
by William Thornton
This just in...Hil to win by a landslide, insists my old Dem friend Sandy. Maybe we could go ahead and have this election like we did in 2016.

Already, there are a couple of NTs on SBCV who will likely come off the bench and vote for trump. Anecdotal, bur polls don't mean squat now.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:19 am
by Sandy
Immorality, pathological lying, philandering, fraud, and owning strip clubs didn't seem to move Evangelicals much from their support for the genital-grabber-in-chief. But I'd take bets that this, involving money, will move some of them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartandhp

After all, it is about the economy, right?

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:02 pm
by William Thornton
Haruo, you and Gerry give 'em heck on Voices. Tell 'em you've been to the Ussr. That oughta stir things up.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:27 pm
by Tim Bonney
Sandy wrote:Immorality, pathological lying, philandering, fraud, and owning strip clubs didn't seem to move Evangelicals much from their support for the genital-grabber-in-chief. But I'd take bets that this, involving money, will move some of them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartandhp

After all, it is about the economy, right?


I pray that you are right Sandy. But I've lost all confidence in the system. I think we would elect Satan himself as President if he was publicly anti-abortion.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:54 pm
by Joseph Patrick
William Thornton wrote:I approved your comment haruo. I daresay, there's not a nevertrumper of SBCV who wouldn't vote for a decent alternative. If any of the current dems get the nomination and maintain their free stuff, Medicare for all, abortion now and forever whenever, reparations, make America apologize again, etc., many of the nevertrumpers become hold your nose and vote trumpers.


From Gerry Milligan...William, I wonder if any republican could agree on a "decent alternative." You have listed a plethora of reasons you could not find a "decent alternative" but wonder if all of you single-issue voters actually look at what each candidate is espousing?

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:28 am
by William Thornton
Joseph Patrick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:I approved your comment haruo. I daresay, there's not a nevertrumper of SBCV who wouldn't vote for a decent alternative. If any of the current dems get the nomination and maintain their free stuff, Medicare for all, abortion now and forever whenever, reparations, make America apologize again, etc., many of the nevertrumpers become hold your nose and vote trumpers.


From Gerry Milligan...William, I wonder if any republican could agree on a "decent alternative." You have listed a plethora of reasons you could not find a "decent alternative" but wonder if all of you single-issue voters actually look at what each candidate is espousing?


Find a single issue voter and ask.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:09 am
by Joseph Patrick
William Thornton wrote:
Joseph Patrick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:I approved your comment haruo. I daresay, there's not a nevertrumper of SBCV who wouldn't vote for a decent alternative. If any of the current dems get the nomination and maintain their free stuff, Medicare for all, abortion now and forever whenever, reparations, make America apologize again, etc., many of the nevertrumpers become hold your nose and vote trumpers.


From Gerry Milligan...William, I wonder if any republican could agree on a "decent alternative." You have listed a plethora of reasons you could not find a "decent alternative" but wonder if all of you single-issue voters actually look at what each candidate is espousing?


Find a single issue voter and ask.


From Gerry Milligan...I did, and you ducked

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:34 am
by William Thornton
Less presumption, more intelligence would serve you well, Gerry.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm
by Joseph Patrick
William Thornton wrote:Less presumption, more intelligence would serve you well, Gerry.


From Gerry Milligan...I see you are back in your Ernest T. Bass mode...what do you know of my intelligence? Your continuous referral to abortion leads one to assume that is your main issue.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:31 pm
by William Thornton
Joseph Patrick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Less presumption, more intelligence would serve you well, Gerry.


From Gerry Milligan...I see you are back in your Ernest T. Bass mode...what do you know of my intelligence? Your continuous referral to abortion leads one to assume that is your main issue.


What do,you know of my voting patterns and rationale? Nothing except that I didn't vote for trump, a fact you ignore. Willful ignorance, I suppose.

You're not very good at this.

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:00 am
by Sandy
Joseph Patrick wrote:From Gerry Milligan...I did, and you ducked


Single issue voters rarely admit to such. Most Evangelicals try to get around the single issue argument by claiming "philosophical differences" with the Democrats that are incompatible with a "Christian worldview." There's a code language involved and they do a lot of what I call "ideological convolutions" to be against things that Democrats promote which really do fit well into a Christian worldview. William's rhetoric about "free stuff, medicare for all, abortion now and forever whenever, reparations, make America apologize again, etc, " is a good example. Straw men, mostly mischaracterizations that come from the billionaire special insterests who don't want to pay their fair share of taxes but want to reap all the benefits.

But take heart. Eyes are opening and genuine convictions are trumping politics (pardon the pun). White Evangelical support for orange hair has dropped from 82% in 2016 to 78% in February 2017 to 69% in March of this year. White Catholic support has also dropped. You know, those "polls" which don't mean anything, but which were impeccably accurate in predicting the results of the 2018 midterms. And this all happening before the Democrats even have a nominee.

And if the science of predicting politics interests youhttps://www.salon.com/2019/08/17/thi ... -forecast/

Re: SBC Voices

PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:43 pm
by Haruo
Sandy wrote:Straw men, mostly mischaracterizations that come from the billionaire special insterests who don't want to pay their fair share of taxes but want to reap all the benefits.

Yes, this is one of the things I don't get about the "conservative" mindset (among nonbillionaires, that is, or among billionaires with a modicum of self-awareness): the notion that a homeless person and a billionaire should be taxed at the same rate. The homeless person may actually (especially under a Democratic regime) gain some tangible benefits from "the system" that the taxes support, perhaps even a tiny house to call her own and maybe a minimal income stream if Yang wins, but the benefits reaped by the billionaire are astronomically greater. A billionaire whose current income is taxed at, say, 37%, is far less inconvenienced by that, far less stressed out, than a person earning $50,000 a year who is taxed at 22%.