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SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:30 pm

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... &ocid=iehp

Elijah Cummings is the son of SC Sharecroppers. His family had probably moved from SC before WA Criswell gave his race baiting speech to a joint session of the SC legislature in 1956.

But now is time for SBC leadership like JD Grear, recent SBC President Bryant Wright of the Johnson Ferry BC in Cobb Co Georgia who witnesses on Braves Radio Broadcasts and of 60 minutes fame, and Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma an ordained SBC minister himself and son in law of a takeover SBC president; time for all of them to distinguish themselves in no uncertain terms from Trump.

Chic Fil A's friend the GOP senator from SC Scott called Trump's race baiting statements about the Squad, appealing to the "lowest common denominator".

It is time for other SBC leaders to step forward
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:37 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-elijah-cummings-once-told-trump-in-private/ar-AAF06ay?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Elijah Cummings is the son of SC Sharecroppers. His family had probably moved from SC before WA Criswell gave his race baiting speech to a joint session of the SC legislature in 1956.

But now is time for SBC leadership like JD Grear, recent SBC President Bryant Wright of the Johnson Ferry BC in Cobb Co Georgia who witnesses on Braves Radio Broadcasts and of 60 minutes fame, and Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma an ordained SBC minister himself and son in law of a takeover SBC president; time for all of them to distinguish themselves in no uncertain terms from Trump.

Chic Fil A's friend the GOP senator from SC Scott called Trump's race baiting statements about the Squad, appealing to the "lowest common denominator".

It is time for other SBC leaders to step forward


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Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:09 pm

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2019/0 ... americans/

Oneill mentions Jill Lepore two paragraphs in.

Ive read her recent book These Truths and the Chapter Battle Lines.

I doubt, for instance, William Thornton has joined me in that careful reading.

Also Azar Nafisi's This Republic of Imagination.

I just posted on the SEC Network Facebook wall.

I mentioned Kirby Smart

I am ready to have this conversation!!
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby William Thornton » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:55 am

You don't have conversations, fox. Those would involve dialogue.
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby Sandy » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:40 am

Stephen Fox wrote:I am ready to have this conversation!!


OK. Where do you want to start? You've put several opportunities here for openings, not much in the way of connection, but you posted a couple of excellent pieces.

The attempt to blame members of congress for conditions which may exist in their district is just another appeal by orange hair to bigotry, prejudice and ignorance. He thinks most of his followers are stupid, and as prejudiced and bigoted as he is. This is "gin up your base" language. Yeah, it is reprehensible and antiChristian. Personally, I don't see that it is a position which will lend itself to his re-election, on the contrary, I see this sort of thing galvanizing his opposition, making them more determined to make sure the vote gets out to get rid of him.

As for SBC leaders stepping forward, I'm not sure where you're headed with that or what you expect. Within the boundaries it has set for itself, individuals within the SBC don't speak for other Southern Baptists and the SBC itself doesn't make political statements, though there are some leaders within the denomination who don't make a secret about their political leanings. But expecting more than a small handful of SBC leaders to publicly stand up for what's right in the face of this Trumpian evil is an awfully high expectation for a denomination like the SBC. At the denominational level, they are easily bullied and intimidated by power brokers and influence peddlers. Leaders don't speak out because it might damage their chances of getting to the next pulpit they want, with a bigger salary and a larger attendance. And if you really want to be honest, there are a lot of Southern Baptists who still think African Americans are inferior and who believe that the conditions in some inner-city areas are the result of a cultural lack of self-sufficiency. I could point you to many people who are members of a Southern Baptist church who think exactly that way. I could go down my facebook news feed today and pull out the racist memes and most of them would be posted by someone I know who is a member of a Southern Baptist church.
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby Haruo » Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:10 am

I don't know anybody personally who comes right out and supports white nationalism per se, I don't think.
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby KeithE » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:55 am

Haruo wrote:I don't know anybody personally who comes right out and supports white nationalism per se, I don't think.

That’s because you live in Seattle.

Outright embracement of white nationalism (which I will define as wanting their environment to be free of anyone except Causations) is alive and well in Alabama. They may not call it “white nationalism” but that is what it is.

I’ve heard it at the bridge club, I’ve heard it in hospitals, I’ve heard it at sports events (golf course, softball games, bowling leagues) - each of these (and probably more that I do not recall, right now) I heard words like:
'don’t they know of the American Bridge Association’ - that is a bridge org for blacks with their own set of tournaments (that allows anyone as does the ACBL, but yet the tournaments are largely segregated).

'blacks are stealing my money' through government give-away programs like ER room treatment

'we need a bowling alley in South Huntsville'

I actually heard a real estate agent say “I wish we could bulldoze all of North Huntsville" - a predominantly black area (which has many fine homes and 2 black universities)

The above were all said with bile in their expression. I have them in single quotes since I only remember the essence of what was said (not the exact words).

I do not recall hearing much overtly racist language in the workplace (my companies or government orgs like the Missile Defense Agency where I sat for 20 years) - the military is a great place for integration and people are polite.

Some people call being “polite”, as being “political correct” as a way of excusing themselves.

There is an example of a well regarded black guy who has virtually the same education (same MSEE degree from same university); same years of experience, largely overlapping companies/locations and I made $22K/hr more than he did (he asked me once and we have been comparing salaries periodically). He now works directly for MDA at the age of 69-70; I’m retired - he likes working on microprocessors as a govt rep at Raytheon Tucson; I was finding my area (ironically called “discrimination”) way too “political” in the bad sense. Besides I like playing bridge even though there are no blacks playing at our club.

Nor do I recall directly hearing any overly racist language about Latinos or other immigrants in Huntsville but I’m sure it exists.

But Huntsville has a clear legacy of racism but is probably better than most of the South.
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby Dave Roberts » Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:32 am

Haruo wrote:I don't know anybody personally who comes right out and supports white nationalism per se, I don't think.


I agree with Keith. Seattle and most of the Pacific Northwest does not bear the scars of the overt racism in the South. I had a conversation recently with an African American who is about my age and educational level. (He has an Ed.D). We have had one conversation about the prospects of collaborating (Hopefully with others) who were the first generation for school desegregation. I was in the eighth grade when my school was desegregated and he was selected as one of the first "token Blacks" to enter a previously all-white high school. Despite his attainments, he still feels the pressure of race, and has a lot of resentment about how he was treated as one of the few to desegregate a school. Rather than integrating society, he and I are agreed that we only "desegregated" it. I will be interested in seeing if this comes to fruition to write together. Also have a friend in Tennessee who is interested in this collaboration.
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby Haruo » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:50 am

Covert racism, and systemic unintentional discrimination are still endemic here, but relatively few people here are willing to say it out loud. We have very few Confederate relics, and no local history of enslavement of blacks. But it is here. If Mrs. H. and I had bought our current house when it was new, we would have had to sign a stipulation that we would not sell or rent it to anyone not of the white race, except for domestic servants who could have a room as a part of their compensation. Seattle schools were never to my knowledge formally segregated (like the drinking spigots I remember seeing at a church camp in (I think) Arkansas in the early 1960s), but in seventh grade I was a voluntary racial transfer student at Washington Junior High (now Washington Middle School), taking city buses across town to attend a school that was 98% nonwhite (and 72% Negro; about 25% Oriental). When I was in sixth grade (I think; maybe fifth) I attended Freedom School at First AME, boycotting the schools to protest the lack of integration. And even at Washington, my classes were overwhelmingly Asian. When we left for Japan, Mr. Peterson, a neighbor, gave me a lecture on not marrying any of the girls over there, who would be sure to try to get me to; I was 13.
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Re: SC SBC, Trump and the Son of SC Sharecroppers

Postby Sandy » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:14 pm

I don't think this is something that has suddenly resurfaced. It has been there, it just took a racist bigot in the White House to motivate people to express it. We had a couple in church in Texas who were teaching stuff in their Sunday school class that whites were given this continent by God to dominate and create a Christian society. It came complete with scriptural justification and everything. The pastor was OK with it because "it was a legitimate interpretation" and because they brought people into the church as a result. Go figure.

Stephen seems to think that there should be some kind of groundswell from Southern Baptists on this issue. He's right, there should be. There's a good post on SBC Voices from someone who finally got fed up with Evangelical support for the adulterous, lying, cheating, strip club owning president and blasted out, but he got blasted back by a lot of misinformation and willful ignorance. I wouldn't expect much in the way of support from the SBC.

With some awareness, continued pursuit of investigations that get information out to those who are not buried under the propaganda balloon, it should be easy to defeat this at the polls in a way that will knock it down hard enough to keep it from resurfacing.
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