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SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby William Thornton » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:04 pm

Dang constitution interferes again...

The justices said by a 5-4 vote on Thursday that claims of partisan gerrymandering do not belong in federal court. The court’s conservative, Republican-appointed majority says that voters and elected officials should be the arbiters of what is a political dispute.


Win some elections and let the legislators draw the lines.

https://time.com/5615821/scotus-gerryma ... ong-court/
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby KeithE » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:27 pm

William Thornton wrote:Dang constitution interferes again...

The justices said by a 5-4 vote on Thursday that claims of partisan gerrymandering do not belong in federal court. The court’s conservative, Republican-appointed majority says that voters and elected officials should be the arbiters of what is a political dispute.


Win some elections and let the legislators draw the lines.

https://time.com/5615821/scotus-gerryma ... ong-court/

And you love the fact that winners pervert the democratic process thru raw power in state legislatures and through SCOTUS appointees. They rightfully assert their power on public policy issues, but they should not pervert election processes!
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby William Thornton » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:37 pm

Politicians exercise raw power? Shocking.
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby KeithE » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:43 pm

William Thornton wrote:Politicians exercise raw power? Shocking.

Such is the GOP's behavior to a far greater degree than Dems or Independents. Witness McConnell’s blockade of bills and Wayne Garland’s nomination.

BTW, there are enough progressives in the Democratic field this year (Hillary was not a progressive, and Obama gave up on progressive ideas), that I will in all likelihood vote Dem (and not an Independent) for the first time in 14 years.
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:23 pm

SCOCTUS has become partisan. Or at least more partisan than it used to be. That's a problem no matter if it leans left or right.
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:23 pm

William Thornton wrote:Dang constitution interferes again...

The justices said by a 5-4 vote on Thursday that claims of partisan gerrymandering do not belong in federal court. The court’s conservative, Republican-appointed majority says that voters and elected officials should be the arbiters of what is a political dispute.


Win some elections and let the legislators draw the lines.

https://time.com/5615821/scotus-gerryma ... ong-court/


Already won elections and are in the progress of having lines redrawn in 16 states. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin got theirs done before the 2018 election. More to come.
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby Haruo » Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:31 am

Legislators under the oversight of state-court judges.
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Re: SCOTUS redistricting makes my Dem friends here spit

Postby Sandy » Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:47 pm

Haruo wrote:Legislators under the oversight of state-court judges.


That's how Pennsylvania did theirs, and Wisconsin, I believe did as well. I was in PA when it was done, eventually the state court had to tell the legislature they weren't going to accomplish what they had directed, so they stepped in and drew the lines themselves. It was really not rocket science, they just started with a map, showing precinct boundaries and populations and put precincts together until they got to the max population, then started on another. So the districts are geographically contiguous instead of wrapping around each other and sprawling all over. And the state went from 5 democrats out of 18 in the house to 10 out of 18 which is not quite representative of the 48% Democrat, 38% Republican voter registration but close. Wisconsin did not put theirs into effect until this coming election but they got similar results and they will also redraw their state districts. In my home state of Arizona, realizing the split partisan divide that has grown there, and that after 2020 the Dems will likely control the legislature they put a bi-partisan committee together to redraw the lines. Because the SCOTUS took the federal courts out of it, states in the south like Alabama and Mississippi, where the gerrymandering to isolate AFrican Americans is really bad, will have to go the civil rights route to get their districts redrawn.
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