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The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:31 am

I'm looking forward to the entertainment tonight when ten of the socialists have the first debate of the 2020 presidential race.

The leftward lurching debaters tonight include: New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, Former Maryland congressman John Delaney,
Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, Minn. Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Former Texas congressman Beto O'Rourke, Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

Yeah, well, Pocohontas I recognize, fresh from saying that gay couples should get reparations along with the other reparatees. Andy Dems have no guts. Shoulda put Warren and Sanders side-by-side.

O'Rourke, teeth all clean, is a quivering mass of silliness. No chance.

Klobuchar, the workplace dragon, presents herself well. Let's see if she can put a dent in the better known Dems.

de Blasio. Nah. Faggetaboutit.

Castro, thought he died.

Delaney, far too sensible for the Democrats.

Gabbard, Hindu, has had more policy conversions than the rest combined.

Inslee, never heard of him.

Booker, specializes in outrage...yawn.

Ryan, yet another pro-abortion convert. Such backbone....

There are none of these abortionists that I would vote for, even against Trump. But I like a good circus just as much as the next guy.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Dave Roberts » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:54 am

Exactly the kind of forums that gave us Trump. I suspect after these two nights we may actually know who will make it to New Hampshire. By the way, William, wasn't Jesus a socialist? How else do you interpret Luke 4:11?
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:39 am

No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:48 am

William Thornton wrote:I'm looking forward to the entertainment tonight when ten of the socialists have the first debate of the 2020 presidential race.


"Ten socialist."?? Your hyperbole is getting ridiculous.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Dave Roberts » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:46 am

William Thornton wrote:No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...


Guess not! He only agreed to be baptized by John the Baptist, but couldn't possibly have agreed with what John said. I love your mental gymnastics doing backflips to support your positions. :)
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:00 am

William Thornton wrote:No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...


This is beneath you William, and beneath your usual reasoned dialogue.

Honestly the entire statement is dismissive and rude.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:25 am

Tim Bonney wrote:
William Thornton wrote:No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...


This is beneath you William, and beneath your usual reasoned dialogue.

Honestly the entire statement is dismissive and rude.


Dave didn't make a serious point. I didn't give a serious response.

I fully intend to have some fun with politics the next 16 1/2 months. It will start tonight.

Heck, I'd have considered voting for the hair sniffer in 2016, but not the weak-willed panderer he is today...but that's tomorrow night's debate.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:48 am

William Thornton wrote:
I fully intend to have some fun with politics the next 16 1/2 months. It will start tonight.


Old age grumpiness is catching up with you if making fun of people like this amounts to "some fun."
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:15 pm

They can handle it. I plead to old age curmudgeonly demeanor
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Haruo » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:23 pm

Never heard of Inslee??!! How DARE you, William?!
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:28 pm

Haruo wrote:Never heard of Inslee??!! How DARE you, William?!


I'll keep an eye on him tonight just for you.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Sandy » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:31 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/card/almost-six ... ed-n936261

Name calling is just a way to say that you really have nothing of substance to say. Call them whatever you want, it appears that a pretty significant majority of the electorate is positioning itself to give the Democrats a very nice November 2020.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:12 pm

Maybe. Problem is, there has to be an election where folks actually vote rather than prattle on about it.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby KeithE » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:59 pm

William Thornton wrote:Maybe. Problem is, there has to be an election where folks actually vote rather than prattle on about it.

Then you would be for "votes of confidence” when doubts about Presidential performance occur like in the UK. We could have had one early in 2017 and Trump likely would be out of power now - Trump has been over 52% disapproval ever since May 2017.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

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Tonight’s debate

Winners (imo): Klobuchar, Warren, Booker, Ryan
Losers (imo): O’Rourke, Delaney
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Sandy » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:07 pm

William Thornton wrote:Maybe. Problem is, there has to be an election where folks actually vote rather than prattle on about it.


Just had one in 2018. Lot of people voted, most of them for Democrats. We had one in 2016, but the Russians interfered with it and trump tried to cover it up and then interfered with the investigation, so we don't count that one.

KeithE wrote: Winners (imo): Klobuchar, Warren, Booker, Ryan
Losers (imo): O’Rourke, Delaney


I definitely agree Klobuchar, Warren and Booker came out very well after this one. Ryan, maybe. Tulsie Gabbard didn't get a lot of face time but was pretty powerful. Inslee had the best line when he said Trump was the greatest threat to American security and got loud applause. Well he was right about that.

I remember the first Republican debate with all the candidates lined up on the stage, Trump taking pot shots, calling names, the whole field taking pot shots at Jeb Bush. That was the circus. This was an intelligent debate on real issues that are high on voter's lists. In the long run, the Democratic nominee will win, not because they can talk issues intelligently, and the Republican candidate can't, but because enough people don't want Trump to be re-elected and are motivated enough to go vote for someone else. But among the Democratic party, in the primaries, the issues will play a big role in determining who the nominee is.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby KeithE » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:12 pm

Sandy wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Maybe. Problem is, there has to be an election where folks actually vote rather than prattle on about it.


Just had one in 2018. Lot of people voted, most of them for Democrats. We had one in 2016, but the Russians interfered with it and trump tried to cover it up and then interfered with the investigation, so we don't count that one.

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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby David Flick » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:23 pm

William Thornton wrote:No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...

    Amen...
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby David Flick » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:52 pm

William wrote:Inslee, never heard of him.

    Same here. Mowed my lawn during the debate. So I'll have to go watch it on re-runs..., or not. As an Okie not having never heard of Jay Inslee, I'm cognizant of the fact that probably nobody on this forum has ever heard of Kevin Stitt
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Haruo » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:58 pm

David Flick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...

    Amen...

Nor was he a fascist, nor a real estate mogul, nor a capitalist, nor a resurgent con-man, nor a neo-fundie ...

Maybe not an illegal immigrant, but he *was* a refugee while still a toddler, and he did tell a rich guy to give it all away to the poor...
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Haruo » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:00 am

David Flick wrote:
William wrote:Inslee, never heard of him.

    Same here. Mowed my lawn during the debate. So I'll have to go watch it on re-runs..., or not. As an Okie not having never heard of Jay Inslee, I'm cognizant of the fact that probably nobody on this forum has ever heard of Kevin Stitt

No, but I prophetically included real estate mogul in my short list of things Jesus wasn't, which I was typing while you were posting that, David.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:03 am

Haruo wrote:
David Flick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:No. Jesus wasn't a socialist, nor an illegal immigrant, nor a lgbtqeieio apologist, nor a commie, nor a mod/ lib...

    Amen...

Nor was he a fascist, nor a real estate mogul, nor a capitalist, nor a resurgent con-man, nor a neo-fundie ...

Maybe not an illegal immigrant, but he *was* a refugee while still a toddler, and he did tell a rich guy to give it all away to the poor...


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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby David Flick » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:04 am

William wrote:Inslee, never heard of him.

    Same here. Had to do an internet search to find out who he is. Mowed my lawn during the debate. So I'll have to go watch it on re-runs..., or not. As an Okie, having never heard of Inslee, I'm cognizant of the fact that probably nobody on this forum has ever heard of Kevin Stitt
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:08 am

David Flick wrote:
William wrote:Inslee, never heard of him.

    Same here. Had to do an internet search to find out who he is. Mowed my lawn during the debate. So I'll have to go watch it on re-runs..., or not. As an Okie, having never heard of Inslee, I'm cognizant of the fact that probably nobody on this forum has ever heard of Kevin Stitt


I have to admit, I hadn't heard of him until he became governor of Oklahoma. Native American, or so I heard. Relative of yours?
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:26 am

KeithE wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Maybe. Problem is, there has to be an election where folks actually vote rather than prattle on about it.

Then you would be for "votes of confidence” when doubts about Presidential performance occur like in the UK. We could have had one early in 2017 and Trump likely would be out of power now - Trump has been over 52% disapproval ever since May 2017.


Dang constitution, inconvenient to the trumphaters.
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Re: The Great Democratic Debate Circus, Part One

Postby William Thornton » Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:44 am

Only watched the first half.

Warren; eternal outrage. Never saw her smile.

O'Rourke; doesn't belong in the group. Nothing burger with a Nixonian five o'clock shadow.

Klobuchar; is surprisingly likable. Did OK.

de Blasio; bleah. Dud.

Castro; articulate and superior on immigration. Gave Beto a whipping.

Delaney. Guy makes good sense. Likable.

Gabbard. Not sure she has the right stuff.

Inslee, as in "Hey! Look at me, Inslee." Bye. Bye.

Booker; the perpetual outrage candidate evidently. Obama was likable. Booker is not. Makes a difference.

Ryan; I'm not sure he showed up.

I'd like to see more of Warren, Castro, Delaney, and Klobuchar.

Who were the two that would end private health care? Gummit could do a better job? Not a serious proposal.
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