Jail/Fine for Supplying Water/Food

[Tim Bonney]

[Haruo]

[KeithE]

Border Control Agents have meant for migrants making dangerous treks.

Click and watch.

This is .

Our country needs to be better than this!

There is simply no “crisis” in terms of the numbers of illegals in the US. That is pure Trump demagoguery and many are falling for it.


Nor are these immigrants (legals and otherwise) adding to crime rates.



And please remember immigrants (legal and otherwise) are good for the USA economically. Please read and show me that you have read it.

The true crisis (a moral one) is in our lack of humanitarian treatment of those knocking at our southern border. This topic points out one of those anti-humanitarian processes that is on the rise. is another.

Changing this mistreatment is what would Make America Great. This advocacy group should be celebrated and helped not charged with crimes.

The idiocy of those that are taken in by Trump’s demagoguery has Made America Worse.

[JE Pettibone]

[Rvaughn]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

That almost looks like it could be a border patrol security camera.

I grew up in Southern Arizona, and I've been in the Cabeza Prieta wildlife refuge on many occasions. It is an inhospitable, largely uninhabited area of mountainous, rocky desert. If you chose to cross the border illegally there, your hope of survival would be to either head for the small hamlet of Why at the junction of state routes 85 and 86, or the small mining town of Ajo, about 40 miles north of the border, or further east to one of the villages on the Tohono O'Odham Reservation. Ajo is about a 50-60 mile hike wandering through wilderness over rugged mountains, the reservation is about a 70 mile hike. A small border patrol group with good surveillance equipment could catch just about anyone coming through there before reaching either destination for a teensie fraction of the cost of the trump boondoggle.

Here's the humanitarian argument. The only people who would be willing to set out on that kind of risky trip are those who are desperate for a better life, even just a tiny bit better. The terrorists and drug lords don't have to risk that, they have the resources to avoid it, and they're smuggling their stuff right through the ports of entry.

What I'm having a hard time with is the hard-heartedness and lack of any human sympathy exhibited on the part of many of the Christians who support Trump. I just don't get that. I honestly believe, from all of the tweets and statements Trump has left on the subject, that he harbors genuine hatred toward Latinos, especially if they are poor and want to come to the US to make a better life. So the Christians who are openly supportive of him because he has deceived them into thinking he's going to be the guy who does something about abortion have changed their Bibles and their theology to accommodate his hatred.

[KeithE]

[Rvaughn]

[Rvaughn]

[Sandy]

[Sandy]

[Rvaughn]

[KeithE]

[JE Pettibone]

Ed: Here is another case. Another do-gooder's efforts challenged. (https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018 ... -arrested-
migrants-water) My view I am sure will not be popular here, but I will listen to any arguments and welcome any agreement.

I believe the people putting out food and water are unwitting bait setters rather than true humanitarians.

[Rvaughn]

[JE Pettibone]

Thank you Robert for correcting that link. Yes that is the right item. Note, I said unwitting bait setters. The water and food that they set out temps illegal immigrants to cross a dangerous area with no other support.

[JE Pettibone]

Thank you Robert

[Rvaughn]

[Sandy]

[Haruo]

The criminalization of doing good, of feeding the hungry, freeing the captives, and giving water to the thirsty is in my view criminal (at least in moral terms, if not legal). And using "do-gooder" as a pejorative epithet for those who do these things just strikes me as weird and sick. Did you not hear Jesus? That really is what it makes me want to ask. Ed, I know you are a Christian, but I cannot for the life of me see how you can reconcile following Christ with making pejorative comments about people who attempt to do what Matthew 25 says not doing as a nation will get you sent to the left to depart with the goats for.

[JE Pettibone]

[KeithE]

[Haruo]

[Haruo]

Without accusing anyone here or in the United States government of "Nazism" or comparing anybody to "Hitler", I have to ask whether anyone here thinks that Christians in the Third Reich or territories occupied by that version of "Caesar" were (according to Jesus) properly to be lambasted as "do-gooders" when they sought to conceal Jews from the authorities at a time when the authorities had decided that "Jews on the loose" were illegal, and should they have been incarcerated and, if necessary under Caesar's laws, executed for those actions? When giving hope to those whom Caesar has deprived of hope is labeled criminal, I hope to be so labeled myself. Jesus himself was crucified to death for a "politically motivated" crime (look at the Scriptures; what he was killed for was basically what is now called "crossing state lines with the intent to incite riot". Not that that was what he was doing, far from it, but that was "Caesar's" take on it.