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Corrupt republicans

Postby Stephen Fox » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:52 pm

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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby Haruo » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:01 pm

I had no idea how bad it had got in Wisconsin:
...in Wisconsin last month, 54 percent of the total votes cast for major-party candidates gave Democrats just 36 of 99 assembly seats

I started out skeptical about this article, but am finding it much better than I anticipated.
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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby William Thornton » Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:03 pm

Dang. Politicians exercising power. Shocking.

And, Stephen, you did see my comment about having a conversaiton with Billy Stonewall Birt, son of Billy Sunday Birt?
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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby Sandy » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:08 pm

I have to give credit where it is due, sometimes Stephen comes up with some top notch stuff. William's response confirms that the content of this piece is spot-on.

My Dad was never much on political discussion in public, but since we lived in Arizona, it was hard to avoid the topic of Barry Goldwater and his run for the presidency in 1964. I remember he and his car pool buddy talking about how unbelievable it was that the GOP would nominate a thief and a crook and a godless atheist like Goldwater for President. I remember him saying something to the effect that he thought it was a major embarassment for the state of Arizona to share giving its electoral votes to Goldwater with the likes of states like Mississippi, Louisiana and South Carolina. My Dad didn't like Goldwater's racist, anti-civil rights views, but he was both a long time Union man and a Baptist deacon, and he cared even less for Goldwater's anti-labor stance. The only picket line I ever knew that my Dad participated in was when unions joined together to boycott Goldwater's department stores because of their low wages.

This is a great article and a good history lesson. Republicans have trouble winning elections in which a majority of votes is required. This isn't politicians behaving like politicians, this is a corruption of a constitutional republic. If the solution is waking up to the problem and the Democrats winning elections to make the changes, they got an excellent start on that in November. With Trump's help, it will be a complete Democratic sweep in 2020.
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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby William Thornton » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:08 am

Sandy's predictions on 2020 may be right but has past record of such doesn't give one much confidence.

If dems can separate themselves from the failed pols of the past and the geezers hanging on in the present they may do well. Somehow faux-Pocahontas hasn't inspired even the elitist masses. Beto got beat. Bernie and Biden fail the drool test. Hil would be the republicans dream candidate.

I'm guessing some dark horse democratic candidate will emerge.

It will be fun and interesting and it starts soon.
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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby Dave Roberts » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:15 am

I still think the two best Democratic candidates might be Tammy Duckworth and Corrie Booker. Duckworth because she could carry the votes of veterans and Booker because he is able to articulate clearly understandable visions.
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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby KeithE » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:27 am

William Thornton wrote:
If dems can separate themselves from the failed pols of the past and the geezers hanging on in the present they may do well. Somehow faux-Pocahontas hasn't inspired even the elitist masses. Beto got beat. Bernie and Biden fail the drool test. Hil would be the republicans dream candidate.



Getting pithier. Perhaps you should angle for a position on Trump2020.

I seldom predict but do express my hopes. My very modest hope is the Reps and Dems come up with better candidates (doubt a third party will arise with the Trump circus going on*). Further some real government action to improve the lives of people in the middle/lower classes (they have been dumped on for decades).

* I will say that if Trump is removed (a big if), an armed “Patriot” Party may arise with chants of “Release him”.
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Re: Corrupt republicans

Postby Sandy » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:08 pm

William Thornton wrote:Sandy's predictions on 2020 may be right but has past record of such doesn't give one much confidence.


I don't usually predict a lot, but when I do, I usually get it right. Pretty much a clean sweep here in November. I said back during the summer that the Democrats pretty much had this election in the bag. And as it turned out, they did. Exceeded my expectations. But I don't use a crystal ball, it's not rocket science. I just look at the pollsters who have a strong record of success. That means not relying on Fox News and looking at sources cited on MSNBC, paying particular attention to Nate Silver. And at this point, as far as 2020 is concerned, it's a matter of looking at the trend lines and what's going on. The Democrats started this run shortly after Trump's inauguration, capturing a string of special election victories in state house, gubernatorial and congressional races, the crown jewel of which was nailing down Session's old Senate seat in Alabama. As time passes, anti-trump sentiment grows, leading to more Democrat victories. Looking at the margins in 2018 and with 15 more states having to get independent commissions or courts to redistrict their gerrymandered congressional districts, yo can see what's coming.

When the Mueller investigation concludes and its report becomes public, if the Republican controlled senate doesn't dump orange hair, the voters will, along with a lot of the senators who didn't vote for it. If they do remove him, or he resigns ahead of the results, that may complicate things a little, though I don't think a President Pence will be a major attraction to many voters. The Democrats planned for a "take back Congress" campaign aiming at gaining 40 seats in the house, raised more money than they needed and planned for it. In the process, they got their 40 seats, 7 governorships and over 500 state house seats including full control of five of them. The trends for 2020 are already in place, and from the emails I'm seeing, they've already started raising money to get back 15 out of the 20 senate seats the GOP has to defend.

Too early to predict who the nominees will be. In an "anybody but Trump" year, it might not matter but it won't be the free-for-alls that the GOP has had the past couple of go rounds. I will say that I expect Mitt Romney to throw his hat in the ring if orange hair survives the investigation barrage.
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