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Let me give credit, Stephen Fox posted this in the New Baptist Covenant section, with which he seems to be fascinated because he thinks people will be attracted by the heading. But it fits better here, and this article is just so spot on, insightful, based on fact and observation, and worth a look, which it probably won't get over there.

Most of it is good, but the underlined part of this excerpt... «Frantic assertions that Hillary Clinton was “of Satan,” that President Barack Obama was a Muslim acting covertly for an Islamic state, that the Bible’s mandate to love one’s neighbor meant to love one’s American neighbor — all patently false — show the desperation for some sort of religious justification for their political views.» ...seems to me to perpetuate the problem. In the new order of things promoted by those these people read and heed, in the aftermath of Trump's election, I don't think that's any more justified than using "frantic", "patently false" and "desperation" this way to describe folks who personally believe in the human personhood of human fetuses, or who find Obama's drone attacks and border policies unacceptable, to describe the process by which such people may end up voting for Clinton.

Is good place. I was in the room at 16th Street Baptist in an NBC meeting with President Carter, Marian Wright Edelman et al and Quiros new book out Nov 19 speaks to a central message of the NBC with a focus on Americus Ga

A picture of myself and Dr. Quiros and the Collinsville Pastor s son and daughter in law is up on my facebook wall from 2012 and a Koinonia Celebration.

Here is what I posted in the Cher Co Alabama Herald facebook wall a few minutes ago

Here is what's up. In September 2012 I was in a conference in Americus Ga with the author, Ansley Quiros, my fellow Furman University grad along with this year Clayte Hubbard the son of the former speaker of the House Mike Hubbard. Also there were the son and daughter in law of FBC Collinsville Alabama, John and Susan Weaver Morgan. Susan is the daughter of Raymond who coached some exciting football games against Sand Rock in the 80s. Quiros piece--the picture will evokce comparisons to a sign on HWY 411 well known to residents of Cherokee County; and all this is likely to come into play in some fashion in the US house race between Mallory Hagan for Congress and the incumbent Rogers. Conversations are already taking place with administration at Jax St to discuss about all this article implies. Let's keep the conversation going. Also here is a challenge to the county GOP to begin a group read of Jon Meacham ( click on his site) new Book on the Soul of America. Seems to me that would be a no brainer for discerning Christians:

What I see in this, more than anything else, is Trump's appeal to those who feel left out of the American dream. There is a certain vicarious satisfaction to support someone who lives in opulent luxury, who has never been to the grocery, who has no idea what it means to live in a coal mining town in West Virginia or in the hollowed out core of former textile and furniture towns along the VA/NC border. Knowing that the American dream doesn't work for them has left these people grasping at straws like MAGA and "America First." They believe that there is somehow a golden age that is going to return. It was the age when their parents could buy a home and a car while drawing only one salary, when the social fabric in their towns was either overwhelmingly Protestant in the South or Catholic in the North, and when their children had a chance for a better life than even they had achieved, but now these people see their children drowning in debt with no job prospects that will help them to repay those loans. Their desperation fuels only a grasping for false hopes. They cannot see that this is all a mirage to get their votes while Trump continues to favor the very policies that put them into this situation to start with. It's a sad situation for proud people who think that a lot of slogans will lift them from their economic malaise and their inability to climb the social ladder.

Laughable, condescending discussion here. Why wouldn't these rubes just vote for Hil, anyway? Need your own forum for these discussions.

Condescending? Hardly. These aren't fictional characters from To Kill a Mockingbird. These are First Baptist Church members from the red brick building with the white steeple on the courthouse square. They are the sort of people that you would expect to be on the cutting edge of integration, of seeing the real reasons behind the poverty in their community and being on the cutting edge of doing something about it. I wouldn't expect that the First Baptist Church of Luverne, Alabama would be a place where I'd find racism, or the kind of fearmongering that goes along with it, or a lot of people that believe the kind of bull that gets tweeted by the trumpster every day.

Yawn. The topic was the WaPo visits the rubes in Alabama piece. I recognized the genre.

Quiros: “Using the language of Christianity and support for conservative cultural positions, they [Weyrich, Falwell] recruited these alienated Christians into new organizations such as Falwell’s Moral Majority, founded in 1979, and James Dobson’s Focus on the Family. They proffered a new brand of Christian conservative politics that was antiabortion, anti-homosexuality, pro-Israel and pro-private education, and utilized new tools such as Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network to gain national resonance and ultimately take over the platform of the Republican Party.”

The lady-professor was obviously in high dudgeon, hopefully not having a temper tantrum whilst venting her spleen on people she disdains, probably members of Hillary's deplorable crowd, of which I am one. She's the type to applaud the Rev-Dr. (God **** America) Jeremiah Wright [Obama's mentor, by his own admission] and Hillary, a hopeless liar for “speaking truth to power” and “welcoming 500,000 Muslims,” respectfully. She represents the elitists, self-appointed keepers of the conscience, who never mention that it was southern democrats who stood in the way of all the “rights legislation” of the 50s-60s that almost totally destroyed black families. So, who was right, even though for the wrong reasons? Nor did she mention that racism was inherited from the British and not invented by the colonist/Americans, who got rid of it. Hers is the boilerplate garbage peddled by the current elitist democrats who are now trying to convert the U.S. into a socialist nation. She represents the elitist scourge on University/college campuses that is a greater threat than domestic politics practiced by any crowd, religious or otherwise.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... s-not.html

Christianity Today seems to just want to sit these next two years of Trump, sit it out. Kinda the 8 white ministers to whom ML King sent the letter from the Bham Jail mentality.

As to the Quiros piece, let's be clear about a few things. Her piece links the original Luverne Alabama piece but she is taking the chat up a level. She has a chapter in her new book about Marshall Frady's days in Americus Ga, and two other Baptists who were key in the Civil Rights era, both, like Frady, with Furman ties.

Quiros is not a car carrying WAPO come down to condescend on Luverne as Willie T's genre obfuscation suggests. She is a native of Atlanta Georgia and is no more a Yankee snot than say James Dickey or Tom Watson.

Nor is she a fundamentalist like Adrian Rogers.

Find online Quiros new book God With Us. it soars. Published by UNC Press Nov 19