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Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:09 am

But only if some of you join in meaningful in-depth discussion free of immediate derision - I don’t deserve that given the amount of reading/studying I have done this.

On another post I accidentally linked an ae911truth.org website in the process of defending Al Gore (who, imo, would have been a far superior President than Bush for several reasons and response to the 9/11 threats is one of those reasons).

In my very studied opinion, 9/11 could have been thwarted - there were 35 foreign intel warnings - instead of overtaken/enhanced (Pentagon, Shanksville Let’s Roll story) for certain political gain (singly or in collusion):
- oil pipeline through Afghanistan (planned by worldwide oil industries but ended by the Taliban in Feb 2001], and/or
- Israel galvanizing anti-Arab feelings, and/or
- CIA wanting to keep their opium money curtailed by the Taliban in 2001, and/or
- complete the “unfinished business” of Iraq for oil, and/or
- Saudi anti-Americanism, and/or
- something else unknown

Sorry but lack of response to the intel warnings is only one aspect of why I very seriously doubt the “Official Story”. For another very definitive source of doubt, study the “physics” of the collapse (really timed explosions) of WTC 1, 2, and 7 in the booklet Beyond Misinformation downloadable for free at https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/beyond-misinformation.

If you doubt the Official Story, you are not alone. Media has no interest to raising this (maybe due to the fact they ignored it thus far).

Polls of US 9/11 views
49% of NYC residents believed “the US knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act."

As for world opinion:
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I realize that many here think I'm crazy (and it may call into question my ideas on other matters - but I’m passionate about the need to correct the Official Story).

Right now I favor the view that yes Al Qaeda was trying attack WTC1 and WTC2 with aircraft, but the US intel got wind of it (see the link above about "35 intel warnings") and choose to enhance it by among other things adding events at the Pentagon and Shanksville to achieve other geopolitical goals. The Pentagon explosion was at the location where records of a $2.3T unauthorized DoD past transactions was just “declared missing” on Sept 10, 2001. The area of damage is less than a Boeing aircraft wing span. The Let's Roll story may be bogus as well - cell phones did not work at those altitudes in 2001.

There is very much more evidence (that takes much time to defend to the doubtful) to destroy the Official Story, but less definitive word on what actually happened and who all was behind it.

But NO WAY is the Official Story close to accurate. I do know two things:
- 9/11 should have been thwarted rather easily given the level of intel forewarnings
- the ~10-sec free-fall (through the region of greatest resistance) collapse of WTC 1 and 2 (102 minutes and 40 minutes after aircraft impact) and WTC 7 was due to pre-placed timed explosives (read and watch this).

I’ll probably give BL readers a yearly opportunity to show public interest (some have shown private interest on PM).
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby David Flick » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:46 am

KeithE wrote:But only if some of you join in meaningful in-depth discussion free of immediate derision - I don’t deserve that given the amount of reading/studying I have done this.

    Count me out. I've read entirely enough propaganda from 9/11 conspiracy theories. I'll take a pass on this discussion.
On another post I accidentally linked an ae911truth.org website in the process of defending Al Gore (who, imo, would have been a far superior President than Bush for several reasons and response to the 9/11 threats is one of those reasons).

In my very studied opinion, 9/11 could have been thwarted - there were 35 foreign intel warnings - instead of overtaken/enhanced (Pentagon, Shanksville Let’s Roll story) for certain political gain (singly or in collusion):
- oil pipeline through Afghanistan (planned by worldwide oil industries but ended by the Taliban in Feb 2001], and/or
- Israel galvanizing anti-Arab feelings, and/or
- CIA wanting to keep their opium money curtailed by the Taliban in 2001, and/or
- complete the “unfinished business” of Iraq for oil, and/or
- Saudi anti-Americanism, and/or
- something else unknown

Sorry but lack of response to the intel warnings is only one aspect of why I very seriously doubt the “Official Story”. For another very definitive source of doubt, study the “physics” of the collapse (really timed explosions) of WTC 1, 2, and 7 in the booklet Beyond Misinformation downloadable for free at https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/beyond-misinformation.

If you doubt the Official Story, you are not alone. Media has no interest to raising this (maybe due to the fact they ignored it thus far).

Polls of US 9/11 views
49% of NYC residents believed “the US knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act."

As for world opinion:
Image

I realize that many here think I'm crazy (and it may call into question my ideas on other matters - but I’m passionate about the need to correct the Official Story).

Right now I favor the view that yes Al Qaeda was trying attack WTC1 and WTC2 with aircraft, but the US intel got wind of it (see the link above about "35 intel warnings") and choose to enhance it by among other things adding events at the Pentagon and Shanksville to achieve other geopolitical goals. The Pentagon explosion was at the location where records of a $2.3T unauthorized DoD past transactions was just “declared missing” on Sept 10, 2001. The area of damage is less than a Boeing aircraft wing span. The Let's Roll story may be bogus as well - cell phones did not work at those altitudes in 2001.

There is very much more evidence (that takes much time to defend to the doubtful) to destroy the Official Story, but less definitive word on what actually happened and who all was behind it.

But NO WAY is the Official Story close to accurate. I do know two things:
- 9/11 should have been thwarted rather easily given the level of intel forewarnings
- the ~10-sec free-fall (through the region of greatest resistance) collapse of WTC 1 and 2 (102 minutes and 40 minutes after aircraft impact) and WTC 7 was due to pre-placed timed explosives (read and watch this).

I’ll probably give BL readers a yearly opportunity to show public interest (some have shown private interest on PM).
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Jim » Mon Jul 23, 2018 12:36 pm

KeithE wrote:But only if some of you join in meaningful in-depth discussion free of immediate derision - I don’t deserve that given the amount of reading/studying I have done this.

I’ll probably give BL readers a yearly opportunity to show public interest (some have shown private interest on PM).


Whilst appreciating your magnanimously mnemonic offer to sit at your feet (that surely have more brains in them than in my skull), I fear a lack of sufficient gray matter to comprehend the offer. In any case, doesn't everyone already know that GB and the NFL players union (sometimes called Concussion Consortium) blew away those buildings? Alas, I will have to wait another year in the hope that I can evolve (as the big O would have it concerning male/male marriage) into a being capable of benefiting from superior intelligence matched only by a bountiful, bodacious braggadocio.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:22 pm

David Flick wrote:
KeithE wrote:But only if some of you join in meaningful in-depth discussion free of immediate derision - I don’t deserve that given the amount of reading/studying I have done this.

    Count me out. I've read entirely enough propaganda from 9/11 conspiracy theories. I'll take a pass on this discussion.


Thanks for the polite pass.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby William Thornton » Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:27 am

Immediate derision from me. Nothing diminishes your street cred more than this stuff. "Oh yeah. He's the 911 Truther guy."

Sad to see, frankly.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:18 am

Keith, for me there is just too much water under the bridge on this one. I'm far more concerned about the current administration and its unprecedented behavior.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby KeithE » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:04 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:Keith, for me there is just too much water under the bridge on this one. I'm far more concerned about the current administration and its unprecedented behavior.


I’m more concerned about Trump as well right now. But history needs to be corrected. Have you ever looked into the 9/11 evidence?
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby KeithE » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:15 pm

William Thornton wrote:Immediate derision from me. Nothing diminishes your street cred more than this stuff. "Oh yeah. He's the 911 Truther guy."

Sad to see, frankly.

I do not even have to ask if you have ever looked into 9/11 truth evidence. You do not dig into anything (possible exception SBC stuff). Just influenced by those who resonate with your emotions and pre-conceived biases (classic post-truther). No need to check anything out. “Oh Yeah. He’s the post-truth guy.”

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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:44 pm

KeithE wrote:I’m more concerned about Trump as well right now. But history needs to be corrected. Have you ever looked into the 9/11 evidence?


Not all that much. What I have read feels too much like the usual conspiracy theories to me. Sorry, no intent to be insulting there. But I also know a lot of people who are convinced that I’m involved in some nepharious plot because I’m a Freemason. It is very easy for facts to be turned in what seem like plausible ways to support all kinds of things. And I can’t shake the feeling that the 9/11 debate is one of those kind of debates for many.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Sandy » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:49 pm

When I was a kid, and I did something wrong, my usual reaction was to use all of the means at my disposal to convince my parents that my version of the facts was the actual version of the facts. I was not normally successful at this, however, there were times when a situation would occur, and I was right. When that happened, I encouraged my parents, my mother in particular who never seemed to be satisfied until she found out the truth, to investigate my version of the story. I tend to think that the government in a democratic republic probably operates the same way, with greater resources. If there is complete cooperation with the investigation, you're probably landing close to a truth that they are willing to support. If there's all kinds of obfuscation, obstruction, attempts to stop it, interference, or simply commandeering the investigation and inserting your own information, then the results are suspicious. 9-11 carries just enough of that to call the final conclusions of that investigation into question. Whether the conspiracy theories are accurate or not, well, odds are that there was some intent to hide things, but how do you determine which one, of several various theories, is correct?

We have the Kennedy assassination, Pearl Harbor, and the Lincoln Assassination, along with 9-11, and now, the Russia investigation. In typical American fashion, each of these, and other events, have generated a fair share of conspiracy theories, books, lectures and an alternative economy off of which money is made. That is the unfortunate bottom line of conspiracy theories. That, and the fact that while an official investigation must operate within the parameters of the same standards for considering evidence, conspiracy theories don't have to meet that requirement. The results are not likely to be changed. I think focusing efforts on being an advocate for the truth to be revealed in the current crisis our country is experiencing having its electoral process undermined by a foreign power at the instigation of, and with the help of our president, is a better use of time.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby KeithE » Sat Jul 28, 2018 7:27 pm

Sandy wrote:When I was a kid, and I did something wrong, my usual reaction was to use all of the means at my disposal to convince my parents that my version of the facts was the actual version of the facts. I was not normally successful at this, however, there were times when a situation would occur, and I was right. When that happened, I encouraged my parents, my mother in particular who never seemed to be satisfied until she found out the truth, to investigate my version of the story. I tend to think that the government in a democratic republic probably operates the same way, with greater resources. If there is complete cooperation with the investigation, you're probably landing close to a truth that they are willing to support. If there's all kinds of obfuscation, obstruction, attempts to stop it, interference, or simply commandeering the investigation and inserting your own information, then the results are suspicious. 9-11 carries just enough of that to call the final conclusions of that investigation into question. Whether the conspiracy theories are accurate or not, well, odds are that there was some intent to hide things, but how do you determine which one, of several various theories, is correct?

We have the Kennedy assassination, Pearl Harbor, and the Lincoln Assassination, along with 9-11, and now, the Russia investigation. In typical American fashion, each of these, and other events, have generated a fair share of conspiracy theories, books, lectures and an alternative economy off of which money is made. That is the unfortunate bottom line of conspiracy theories. That, and the fact that while an official investigation must operate within the parameters of the same standards for considering evidence, conspiracy theories don't have to meet that requirement. The results are not likely to be changed. I think focusing efforts on being an advocate for the truth to be revealed in the current crisis our country is experiencing having its electoral process undermined by a foreign power at the instigation of, and with the help of our president, is a better use of time.


I’ll agree that the Trump takeover of our country is the better use of time to focus on right now. But history matters. The 9/11 event started our Middle East involvement / hyped-up a War on Terror, and the ISIS response to that War on Terror. Truth is we (people on BL) will not be able to bring about the needed change concerning Trumpism or 9/11 truth; but we can stay informed and share understandings we come to.

It is a “conspiracy” no matter who all was involved.

I disagree totally with what Sandy said (in green above). The 9/11 truthers are far more focused on the evidence than the purveyors of the Official Story who have neatly swept everything under the rug and declared “Case Closed”. Non-standard theories are given much more scrutiny.

But you are correct Sandy (in red above), that:
- insertion of your own information - most info was inserted directly from government sources to the press; Osama Bin Laden and 19 mostly Saudis declared guilty within two days (this set the narrative and our immediate prejudices),
- obscuration, obstruction, cover-up (e.g removal of debris/steel beams to China started day of 9/11 - no steel beams have been analyzed for explosive residues),
- delay in investigation (it took 444 days to launch the 9/11 Commission on Nov 27, 2002 at the demand of the Jersey Girls; Challenger disaster commission started within a week after event),
- having a government insider (Philip Zelikow) commandeer that final 9/11 Commission report (very tightly controlled - see The Commission, read at least the reviews),
- Bush and Cheney interviewed off the record, together (so as not to contradict each other), over a year after event, and limited to 30 minutes with no transcript,
all lend suspicion (as do countless other factors). Thanks for recognizing some of that Sandy.

I never gave any of the Official Story (OS) a second thought until Sept 2004 and reading New Pearl Harbor by David Ray Griffin. It is not like I was immediately trying to prove the OS wrong for some personal bias (as in Sandy's childhood story). I checked the footnoted references in the New Pearl Harbor (mostly websites) and they checked out. It took about 6 weeks of intense study to convince me something was badly wrong with the Official Story and years (of less intense but thorough study) to form a firm viewpoint that the OS was fabricated and develop a most likely scenario (though not conclusive at this time) of what happened and who all made it happen. PNAC (eager to invade Iraq/Afghanistan; Cheney leading Bush to complete the job his father did not finish in 1st Iraq War), Israelis, Saudis are my suspects. Much to say about each possibility but a combination of all three seems most likely to me (each having a job). Al Qaeda acting alone is less likely and really unbelievable (skill of pilots, avoidance of air defense system when it was common practice to escort unexplained planes down since at least 1990)

What really converted me (during that 6 weeks) to being a full fledged 9/11 truther was the physical impossibility of the observed facts (planes hitting two towers, towers standing tall, smoke turning black for 102 minutes (North Tower) and 40 minutes (South Tower) before these towers collapsed straight down in the direction of greatest resistance, and steel beams being ejected outward and even upward). Hundreds of witnesses tell of many explosions near/after the time of the collapsed initiation. Those buildings (including WTC 7 as well) were planted with timed explosives - no doubt n my mind and I do not see how Al Qaeda could have pulled that off - it takes months to place explosions in a classical controlled emonoition (our security at teh WTC could not have been that bad unless it was an inside job. The Official Story (airplanes strike building, expelled gas lights into fireballs that quickly die down, towers floors near strike have fires that cool off it go into black smoke (cooling) and then collapse starts 40 or 102 minutes later with only gravity to drive the collapse is impossible. The floors beneath the strike floor have held up the above floors for decades; the towers clasped in near free fall speed like there was no resistance - impossible.

READ [url]ae911truth.org[/url] for MUCH more of the physics involved including the presence of exploded and unexploded thermites (via chemical spectral analysis) in the residue dust strewn into 5 blocks around the WTC (how did airplanes cause that?). Hint it was pulverized cement floors exploded outward (gravity and fires alone don’t do that).

Below is an image about 8.5 seconds after the North Tower collapse started which was 102 minutes after the first plane struck the North Tower. The smoke going up and to the left is the black smoke coming form the initial plane strike while te mushroom looking cloud is from the explosions that preceding down the building a planned demolition
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Here is a video.

https://youtu.be/ecv0p8JWsqU

I note that none of you are countering the links (35 intel warnings, motives, physics of collapse, NYC/world opinion) I’ve provided or other points I have made. Only use it to doubt my “street cred” or (more politely) that you just don’t want to get into it. Have you heard of cognitive dissonance.

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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Jim » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:11 pm

KeithE wrote: Have you heard of cognitive dissonance.


Cognitive dissonance: the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change. Sorry you suffer from this but in time you'll likely get over it. Hillary-supporters have the same problem. They simply can't get over it and work tirelessly to get the Donald in the guillotine. Meanwhile, perhaps you will explain how GB got the Saudis to do the dirty work. Even Obama, with all his charm and genuflection vis-a-vis his audience with the fat king (and soul-brother?) in 2009 on his apology-tour, would have had a hard time pulling that off. Alas, Khalid, the organizer, still rots at Gitmo and won't talk. Maybe another water-boarding is in order.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:04 am

Jim wrote:
KeithE wrote: Have you heard of cognitive dissonance.


Cognitive dissonance: the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change. [snip]

Meanwhile, perhaps you will explain how GB got the Saudis to do the dirty work. [snip]


This is the definition I was referring to.
Cognitive dissonance: the mental conflict that occurs when beliefs or assumptions are contradicted by new information. The unease or tension that the conflict arouses in people is relieved by one of several defensive maneuvers: they reject, explain away, or avoid the new information; persuade themselves that no conflict really exists; reconcile the differences; or resort to any other defensive means of preserving stability or order in their conceptions of the world and of themselves.

I had to overcome that dissonance as new information (facts, videos, “physics”, whistleblowers, etc. ) became available. You might do your own research to crosscheck your present view. When I did so, it became painfully obvious that the Official Story could not be right and much evidence pointed in the direction of a US led set of actions that involved:

A. Israelis in placing explosives - please read 5 dancing Israelis were caught celebrating the WTC strikes across the river in New Jersey; they left in a van full of explosives, were captured by NJ police, but released quietly 71 days later; on the day of 9/11 Netanyahu said
"It's very good……. Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)”


B. and perhaps the Saudis as well (though I am less sure about that). No one is saying that Saudi Arabia did all the “dirty work” surrounding 9/11 whatever view you have about 9/11 guilt. But they hare often charged with two broad roles (wittingly or unwittingly):

B1. Visas allowing 9/11 “pilots” to enter the USA. J. Michael Springmann was a long term US consulate officer in Saudi Arabia. He was told by the CIA in mid 2001 to stamp the visa requests of most of the 9/11 accusees against his normal guidance of knowing what they would be doing in the US. He blew the whistle on this practice in his book Visas for Al Qaeda. This shows at the very least possible CIA complicity in 9/11 conduct.

B2. Funding 9/11 (the patsy role in my view). It is well known that the Saudis funded Al Qaeda for years and a lawsuit is still active by 9/11 families to claim Saudi funded 9/11. GB (or DC) may not have had to encourage the Saudi government at all - their Wahhabi religion (and hatred of American decadent lifestyle) could have provided all the motivation they needed. OTOH they (Saudi govt or some oil industry subset) may have been more knowledgeably involved in the US/Israel/Saudi team and GB (or DC) promises of continued oil purchases could have provided that motivation to join that team.

The US/Israel/Saudi Arabia remain a team to this day.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Jim » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:23 am

KeithE wrote:

The US/Israel/Saudi Arabia remain a team to this day.

Where do you think this imaginary team will strike next? Trump Tower? The DNC? Hillary's house? The CIA (apparently accused by you of fomenting 9/11)? Fox News? Stormy? All of the foregoing?
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:53 am

Jim wrote:
KeithE wrote:

The US/Israel/Saudi Arabia remain a team to this day.

Where do you think this imaginary team will strike next? Trump Tower? The DNC? Hillary's house? The CIA (apparently accused by you of fomenting 9/11)? Fox News? Stormy? All of the foregoing?


The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) aka neo-cons in 2000 called for a “new Pearl Harbor” in it’s report "Rebuilding America's Defenses" to greatly enhance defense spending. It is largely disbanded (I hope) - job done.

From that report advocating a transformational global hegemony:

Any serious effort at transformation must occur within the larger framework of U.S. national security strategy, military missions and defense budgets. The United States cannot simply declare a “strategic pause” while experimenting with new technologies and operational concepts. Nor can it choose to pursue a transformation strategy that would decouple American and allied interests. A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.


This was required reading for defense contractors. I know, I had to sign that I read it. I had no idea at the time what it meant.

Today? I dunno, maybe Trump/Netanyahu/Saudi King Salman might strike Iran.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:09 am

I'd like to see Trump try his "I love these guys, we get along great" MO on the mullahs.
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Re: 9/11 Again

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Haruo wrote:I'd like to see Trump try his "I love these guys, we get along great" MO on the mullahs.

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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Sandy » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:53 am

Jim wrote:Hillary-supporters have the same problem. They simply can't get over it and work tirelessly to get the Donald in the guillotine.


Can you name a single Hillary supporter working to get Donald in the guillotine? Other that a couple of random voices here and there, there isn't one.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:05 pm

He's talking about the place in the Constitution where it says if Presidents do no-nos it's okay for Congress to lop off their heads.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 30, 2018 1:11 pm

The guillotine is preferred by Democrats for this purpose, because it has a smaller carbon footprint than say the firing squad preferred by the Mitch Romney camp, or the electric chair of the old Republican guard. Or the nuclear option preferred by the Trumpeters.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Jim » Mon Jul 30, 2018 2:26 pm

KeithE wrote:
From that report advocating a transformational global hegemony:

Any serious effort at transformation must occur within the larger framework of U.S. national security strategy, military missions and defense budgets. The United States cannot simply declare a “strategic pause” while experimenting with new technologies and operational concepts. Nor can it choose to pursue a transformation strategy that would decouple American and allied interests. A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.


This was required reading for defense contractors. I know, I had to sign that I read it. I had no idea at the time what it meant.



Try this: Republican Reagan rebuilt the military after Democrat Carter let it slide (remember the hostages 1979-81?). Republican GB rebuilt the military after Democrat Bubba let it slide (remember the first WTC bombing, Khobar Towers, African embassy-bombings, letting bin Laden get away to Afghanistan, USS Cole and other atrocities?). Republican Trump is rebuilding the military after Democrat Obama let it slide precipitously (remember the silly Syrian red-lines and the obliteration of Libya, not to mention the monstrous lies about the Benghazi massacre?). The democrats are now the progressives, otherwise known as outright socialists. Domestically, they will try to make the U.S. into a Venezuela. Internationally, they will appease while the nation burns. Peace for this nation is possible only with military strength.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Sandy » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:12 pm

Jim wrote: Try this: Republican Reagan rebuilt the military after Democrat Carter let it slide (remember the hostages 1979-81?). Republican GB rebuilt the military after Democrat Bubba let it slide (remember the first WTC bombing, Khobar Towers, African embassy-bombings, letting bin Laden get away to Afghanistan, USS Cole and other atrocities?). Republican Trump is rebuilding the military after Democrat Obama let it slide precipitously (remember the silly Syrian red-lines and the obliteration of Libya, not to mention the monstrous lies about the Benghazi massacre?). The democrats are now the progressives, otherwise known as outright socialists. Domestically, they will try to make the U.S. into a Venezuela. Internationally, they will appease while the nation burns. Peace for this nation is possible only with military strength.


Republican Reagan, the guy who made the deal with Iran to get money to invest on behalf of a Nicaraguan dictatorship? Republican Bush, the guy who sent the military into Iraq and families of soldiers in the US were raising money to buy the necessary protective coverings for vehicles?

I'll take my chances with the progressive Democrats when it comes to the economy. The one we have now is the direct result of eight years of Obama administration policy, including record job growth and economic balances that turned the US around from the Bush Recession that would have been a depression of monumental proportions if he'd been around any longer. Things were going well for a while. Now we have billions in government subsidy going to keep the agriculture business alive, and a new layoff crisis for auto workers. Trump doesn't care because he's making money off of it somewhere else.

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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Jim » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:40 am

Sandy wrote:
Jim wrote: Try this: Republican Reagan rebuilt the military after Democrat Carter let it slide (remember the hostages 1979-81?). Republican GB rebuilt the military after Democrat Bubba let it slide (remember the first WTC bombing, Khobar Towers, African embassy-bombings, letting bin Laden get away to Afghanistan, USS Cole and other atrocities?). Republican Trump is rebuilding the military after Democrat Obama let it slide precipitously (remember the silly Syrian red-lines and the obliteration of Libya, not to mention the monstrous lies about the Benghazi massacre?). The democrats are now the progressives, otherwise known as outright socialists. Domestically, they will try to make the U.S. into a Venezuela. Internationally, they will appease while the nation burns. Peace for this nation is possible only with military strength.


Republican Reagan, the guy who made the deal with Iran to get money to invest on behalf of a Nicaraguan dictatorship? Republican Bush, the guy who sent the military into Iraq and families of soldiers in the US were raising money to buy the necessary protective coverings for vehicles?

Yeah...I remember Ollie North's deal...not bad. GWB had it right in saving Kuwait (and all the Mid-East) and GB in ending Saddam's butcher shop.

I'll take my chances with the progressive Democrats when it comes to the economy. The one we have now is the direct result of eight years of Obama administration policy, including record job growth and economic balances that turned the US around from the Bush Recession that would have been a depression of monumental proportions if he'd been around any longer. Things were going well for a while. Now we have billions in government subsidy going to keep the agriculture business alive, and a new layoff crisis for auto workers. Trump doesn't care because he's making money off of it somewhere else.

This has been the case in the sugar industry for decades and once was the case with tobacco, so what else is new? Stay tuned for the latest depression news...the sky is falling as the unemployment figures continue to fall.

You.....make me laugh!


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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Sandy » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:05 am

Jim wrote: ..as the unemployment figures continue to fall.


Unemployment figures are not falling, at least, if you'll check the latest Trump administration jobs report. The economy lost more jobs than it generated.
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Re: 9/11 Again

Postby Haruo » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:51 pm

In terms of general trends, unemployment has been falling ever since about halfway through Obama's first year. The latest report shows an uptick, but there have been upticks repeatedly under both Obama and Trump. Image
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