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Corollary to Sessions' Bible lesson:

Postby Haruo » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:49 am

Even more than we need a Space Force to make sure our anointed President is in command throughout the galaxy, what this country needs to do God's will up right is a counterpart to ICE whose function is to keep track of these kids after they get out, whether they are deported or admitted, and keep track of their kids and grandkids and maybe on a lottery system some of their great-grandkids, so they can be reincarcerated from time to time in accordance with the scriptural principle that the sins of the father be visited upon their children unto the third and fourth generation thereof.

And on a side note, did y'all notice with what savoring deliberation Trump chose to incorporate the phrase "Separate But Equal" into his announcement of the creation of the Space Force?
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Re: Corollary to Sessions' Bible lesson:

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:40 am

Haruo wrote:And on a side note, did y'all notice with what savoring deliberation Trump chose to incorporate the phrase "Separate But Equal" into his announcement of the creation of the Space Force?


What did he say "separate but equal" about?
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Re: Corollary to Sessions' Bible lesson:

Postby Haruo » Wed Jun 20, 2018 8:39 pm

Air Force and Space Force
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Re: Corollary to Sessions' Bible lesson:

Postby KeithE » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:55 am

Getting back to Sessions,
More than 600 members of Jeff Sessions' church just charged him with violating church rules

Seems a little high handed in this case, imo. What do you think?


I would think the Presbyterian church would have to be working overtime (Trump is a Presbyterian, in name)

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Re: Corollary to Sessions' Bible lesson:

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:22 am

KeithE wrote:Getting back to Sessions,
More than 600 members of Jeff Sessions' church just charged him with violating church rules

Seems a little high handed in this case, imo. What do you think?



Keith,

Unlike a lot of denominations, the members of the United Methodist Church are bound by a common discipline. The straw that broke the camels back that caused Sessions to be charged with violating the doctrines and discipline of the UMC was when he claimed Biblical authority to imprison children and seemed to argue that the Bible declares that we can't question the government because it is divinely ordained.

So, when Sessions brought the Bible into it, as a United Methodist, he made himself more subject to the scrutiny of the Church. Using the Bible to justify imprisoning children and using the Bible to declare the government above criticism was so theologically heinous that many United Methodists believed charges were necessary, if nothing else, to protect the witness of our Church and point out that his statements in no way reflect the beliefs of the UMC.

It is very very rare for a lay person to be charged. It is even rarer for those charges to lead to a Church trial as most of the time a lay person just leaves the Church if they don't really want to support Methodist teachings.

In some ways bringing these charges, which may not come to anything ultimately, are more of a way of stating United Methodist's extreme disapproval of his actions as a member of one of our local churches.

I am not a signatory to the complaint, as I did not hear about it quickly enough to sign on. But I am a signatory to a petition supporting the complaint.
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Re: Corollary to Sessions' Bible lesson:

Postby Sandy » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:05 pm

It says a lot about how seriously United Methodists take their reputation and image as a body of believers in Christ, to ignore political expedience and dismiss a member who publicly disgraces serious Biblical teaching. I applaud your willingness to support this.

If we take Session's (and by extension, Pence's and Trump's) interpretation of Romans 13 at face value, aren't they also not approving of abortion, since the governing authorities and the laws they are sworn to uphold include a judicial decision that upholds the right of a woman to choose an abortion? That's the law. And of course, that argument will get all kind of wailing about what is just and Biblical, and then I'll turn that around and use it to point out that turning desperate people who are not criminals, and not the "worst" from their country, as Trump lies about, is also unjust, and I can find several scripture passages to point that out. Not to mention how morally depraved and antichrist it is to revel in making people experience pain by taking their kids away from them to force a decision on their part.
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