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NYT is Right

Postby KeithE » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:13 am

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Re: NYT is Right

Postby Haruo » Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:41 am

News reports point to a growing possibility that President Trump may act to cripple or shut down an investigation by the nation’s top law-enforcement agencies into his campaign and administration. Lawmakers need to be preparing now for that possibility because if and when it comes to pass, they will suddenly find themselves on the edge of an abyss, with the Constitution in their hands.

Make no mistake: If Mr. Trump takes such drastic action, he will be striking at the foundation of the American government, attempting to set a precedent that a president, alone among American citizens, is above the law.

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Re: NYT is Right

Postby KeithE » Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:11 pm

Thanks for reading the article. Anyone else care?
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Re: NYT is Right

Postby Sandy » Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:01 pm

There's a way to behave in such matters if you are confident that you are innocent, and Trump isn't behaving that way. The investigation has already turned up evidence of "collusion," specific enough to identify Russian sources who were involved and the Trump campaign officials with whom they met or communicated, at least three of whom have provided testimony in exchange for leniency. If you're not guilty, you don't threaten to replace the justice department official who is in charge of the investigation, and whom you appointed, with someone who will be more loyal to you than they are interested in serving the country. If you're not guilty and you know you're not, you let the investigation draw its conclusions, let the evidence speak, and trust the outcome.
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Re: NYT is Right

Postby KeithE » Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:38 pm

Sandy wrote:There's a way to behave in such matters if you are confident that you are innocent, and Trump isn't behaving that way. The investigation has already turned up evidence of "collusion," specific enough to identify Russian sources who were involved and the Trump campaign officials with whom they met or communicated, at least three of whom have provided testimony in exchange for leniency. If you're not guilty, you don't threaten to replace the justice department official who is in charge of the investigation, and whom you appointed, with someone who will be more loyal to you than they are interested in serving the country. If you're not guilty and you know you're not, you let the investigation draw its conclusions, let the evidence speak, and trust the outcome.

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Re: NYT is Right

Postby Jon Estes » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:16 am

KeithE wrote:Thanks for reading the article. Anyone else care?


Care about what? A bunch of innuendos?

Trump may...

If Trump...

...then a mass of words to condemn and convict the President for something he hasn't done.

Yet - It does give many people something to talk about since. I remember when it was ... if he nukes NK...

You have noticed... he didn't and there are talks coming.

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Re: NYT is Right

Postby KeithE » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:26 am

Jon Estes wrote:
KeithE wrote:Thanks for reading the article. Anyone else care?


Care about what? A bunch of innuendos?

Trump may...

If Trump...

...then a mass of words to condemn and convict the President for something he hasn't done.

Yet - It does give many people something to talk about since. I remember when it was ... if he nukes NK...

You have noticed... he didn't and there are talks coming.

Fun is fun - Lunacy is lunacy.

If you read the article, you would know it was about maintaining the rule of law, not a “bunch of innuendo”. That "rule of law” (e.g. the Mueller investigation) will establish whether or not numerous innuendos (aka as evidence of wrongdoing) that have surfaced over that last 2 years about Trump campaign/Russian contacts/collusion/cooperation/tit-for-tat are true. It is also dealing with obstruction of justice and abuse of power in the attempted cover-up. Way too much to be just ignored!! Any other criminal activity discovered (e.g. Trump’s business practices, payoffs for dalliances, Manafort’s money laundering, Flynn’s violation of Logan Act) are being shunted off to appropriate courts (e.g Southern Manhattan Court) in accord with the “rule of law”.

Do you believe that the "rule of law" is lunacy?

It would be fun if this were a TV series, but instead this is very real - not only (1) campaign/transition team illegalities, but also (2) threats to democracy, (3) his character and (4) most importantly the very pro-business, pro-rich, violence-permitting, wink-at racism, anti-lower class, anti-environmental, anti-consumer protection, anti-immigration policies that are working themselves into our country.
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Re: NYT is Right

Postby Sandy » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:42 am

The credibility of the New York Times rests on their ability to get the facts, and accurately report them. I say this all the time, and it usually winds up that the subject is diverted with no response, but if you think what they've put together is innuendo, or biased, or wrong, you're welcome to find facts that refute them, or prove the point. And the extremist right wing media isn't a source for those facts.

The factual nature of their (the New York Times') reporting, the thoroughness of their investigation and getting those facts, stands in stark contrast to Fox News, where it has been discovered that their headliner, Sean Hannity, was one of Michael Cohen's clients. That's no crime, or at least, not at this point, but it certainly classifies every word Hannity has ever spoken about Trump in the category of biased propaganda, and zaps whatever credibility he, or the network had. I always thought Hannity was a phony, and a propagandist posing as a conservative "journalist", not out of any real sense of conviction, but because he can snatch up cash in the wake of lunatic egomaniacs like Limbaugh. This is hard proof of that. To his credit, I guess, at least he's not a sexual predator like O'Reilly or Trump.
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