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FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:04 pm

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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:16 pm

No reaction to the latest from Bobby Three Sticks in pursuit of the great orange mob boss?
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Haruo » Mon Apr 09, 2018 9:53 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:No reaction to the latest from Bobby Three Sticks in pursuit of the great orange mob boss?

Okay, that one went right over my head. The Bobby Three Sticks part, that is, I grok the mob boss bit.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Tim Bonney » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:00 pm

Sorry, too esoteric a joke. The mob nickname for Robert Mueller III is “Bobby Three Sticks.” It was a bit of a sign of respect as the mob is known for having nicknames for their friends and their enemies.

Mueller is best known for being meticulous. He won’t bring any charges he can’t prove. And, he is very careful to not take any actions he can’t defend. So, the raid does not bode well for Trump’s former lawyer or potentially for the President.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Dave Roberts » Tue Apr 10, 2018 7:21 am

Obviously, since the lawyer/client privilege issue is so big, the Mueller team had to take their case to a judge to show cause before a search warrant could be issued for Cohen's office. That's a pretty high bar to get across and was done by the US Attorney in NY.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:38 am

Dave Roberts wrote:Obviously, since the lawyer/client privilege issue is so big, the Mueller team had to take their case to a judge to show cause before a search warrant could be issued for Cohen's office. That's a pretty high bar to get across and was done by the US Attorney in NY.


Yes, and there is a high bar for this kind of warrent. So they must have shown a pretty compelling reason why they needed it.

Trump is threatening the possibility of firing Mueller again. Doing so would open him up to obstruction of justice charges. His bombastic response to this makes him look less than innocent.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby KeithE » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:23 pm

Tim Bonney wrote:
Dave Roberts wrote:Obviously, since the lawyer/client privilege issue is so big, the Mueller team had to take their case to a judge to show cause before a search warrant could be issued for Cohen's office. That's a pretty high bar to get across and was done by the US Attorney in NY.


Yes, and there is a high bar for this kind of warrent. So they must have shown a pretty compelling reason why they needed it.

Trump is threatening the possibility of firing Mueller again. Doing so would open him up to obstruction of justice charges. His bombastic response to this makes him look less than innocent.

Amen to all of that.

And this evening reportedly Trump is considering firing Rosenstein so that he can claim innocence in obstructing justice (although that has already been pretty well established with the coercion of Comey and subsequent firing of Comey as well several other obstructive actions).
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:12 pm

KeithE wrote:And this evening reportedly Trump is considering firing Rosenstein so that he can claim innocence in obstructing justice (although that has already been pretty well established with the coercion of Comey and subsequent firing of Comey as well several other obstructive actions).


I don’t see how this makes it much better for Trump. I’d say that still opens him to obstruction charges if he appears to be dismantling the ability for his actions to be investigated.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby JE Pettibone » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:56 am

Dave Roberts wrote:Obviously, since the lawyer/client privilege issue is so big, the Mueller team had to take their case to a judge to show cause before a search warrant could be issued for Cohen's office. That's a pretty high bar to get across and was done by the US Attorney in NY.


Ed: Which makes this former NY resident question just how high the bar was set.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:06 am

JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Which makes this former NY resident question just how high the bar was set.


Ed, I saw an article which explains what steps have to be taken to get such a warrent. I’ll see if I can find it and repost it. The bar is pretty high.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby KeithE » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:57 am

JE Pettibone wrote:
Dave Roberts wrote:Obviously, since the lawyer/client privilege issue is so big, the Mueller team had to take their case to a judge to show cause before a search warrant could be issued for Cohen's office. That's a pretty high bar to get across and was done by the US Attorney in NY.


Ed: Which makes this former NY resident question just how high the bar was set.


I supposed that means you have several examples of how low the bar is set in NY legal proceedings. Bone up and tell us about it.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby KeithE » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:28 am

Tim Bonney wrote:
JE Pettibone wrote:Ed: Which makes this former NY resident question just how high the bar was set.


Ed, I saw an article which explains what steps have to be taken to get such a warrent. I’ll see if I can find it and repost it. The bar is pretty high.


Here’s an article about the requirements to obtain a search warrant in this case. Warrants and Privilege: Legal Questions About the Raids on Trump’s Lawyer. Probably not what Tim has in mind since this article was released by the NYT 13 hours ago.

It quotes from the DoJ’s US Attorney's Manual Section 9-13.420 https://www.justice.gov/usam/usam-9-13000-obtaining-evidence#9-13.420. Read/scan it. The bar is high and I for one do not know if it was followed in this case (at this time). For instance the procedure calls fro AG or Assistant AG to sign off after judicial authorization. Has Rosenstein or Sessions signed off on this?
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby KeithE » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:16 am

Just heard on the News that Rosenstein did sign off on the action. Mueller's reputation of going by the book is intact.
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Re: FBI raids Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's office

Postby Sandy » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:32 am

This seems to be a separate scandal from the collusion being investigated by Mueller, which is why it wound up where it did. Trump claims a witch hunt, and that everyone involved is a Clinton supporter and Democrat, but in fact, in both investigations, all of the key personnel are Republicans, and in this particular trail, all were appointed by him.

It's not like this stuff should be surprising anyone.
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