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Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Rvaughn » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:42 pm

You may remember the case of a Christian couple from upstate New York who refused to host a gay marriage on their farm, which they often rented out as a wedding venue...For that decision to decline a same-sex couple their wishes...Judge Karen Peters ordered Liberty Ridge’s owners, Cynthia and Robert Gifford, to shell out $13,000 in fines.

“The Giffords are free to adhere to and profess their religious beliefs that same-sex couples should not marry, but they must permit same-sex couples to marry on the premises if they choose to allow opposite-sex couples to do so,” the judge wrote in her decision.

In accordance with that, they now have a disclaimer that reads:
“At Liberty Ridge Farm, our deeply held religious belief is that marriage is the union of one man and one woman, and the Farm is operated with the purpose of strengthening and promoting marriage. In furtherance of this purpose and to honor and promote our moral and religious beliefs, we donate a portion of our business proceeds to organizations that promote strong marriages, such as the Family Research Council.”

This Christian-Owned Wedding Venue May Have Just Solved the Gay Marriage Dilemma
Liberty Ridge Gives Back to Strengthen Marriages
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby William Thornton » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:05 am

That's pretty clever. They were brought into line on renting the farm to same sex couples...with a wrinkle.
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:17 pm

William Thornton wrote:That's pretty clever. They were brought into line on renting the farm to same sex couples...with a wrinkle.


A wrinkle in which they contribute money to an organized designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and led by Tony Perkins a man with questionable judgment in issues of race and religion including giving “a mulligan” to Donald Trump on sexual harrasment allegations while previously questioning Obama’s birth certificate. Yep, good upstanding folks. :brick:
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby William Thornton » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:03 am

SPLC 'hate group' is a sham but probably helps in fund raising. The people to ask about contributing to so called hate groups would be any same sex couples who pay to use the venue.
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:48 am

William Thornton wrote:SPLC 'hate group' is a sham but probably helps in fund raising. The people to ask about contributing to so called hate groups would be any same sex couples who pay to use the venue.


When you read about Tony Perkins and some his behavior, it doesn't look like a sham to me. As to the rest of it, are you claiming that same sex couple contribute to hate groups or are part of a hate group?
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Rvaughn » Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:58 am

Seems if you have a different worldview from the SPLC you're liable to get on their hate groups list! :( I have no confidence in their listing. They are like the little boy who cried wolf, so that you wouldn't believe them when they might actually be right.
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:30 am

Rvaughn wrote:Seems if you have a different worldview from the SPLC you're liable to get on their hate groups list! :( I have no confidence in their listing. They are like the little boy who cried wolf, so that you wouldn't believe them when they might actually be right.


"The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) is an American nonprofit legal advocacy organization specializing in civil rights and public interest litigation. Based in Montgomery, Alabama, it is noted for its successful legal cases against white supremacist groups, its classification of hate groups and other extremist organizations, and for promoting tolerance education programs."


So they disagree with you on human sexuality, so all of the rest of their history of civil rights work is now meaningless?
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Mar 28, 2018 10:43 am

By the way, what does it mean to be an advocate for "traditional marriage?" which traditions, in which century? Certainly in the New Testament era marriage was nothing like it is now.

This isn't a scholarly overview. But it lists a whole history of marriage practices that were once the tradition that are nothing like we do now, or like what was done in the NT period.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti ... ge-history
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Rvaughn » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:43 am

Tim Bonney wrote:So they disagree with you on human sexuality, so all of the rest of their history of civil rights work is now meaningless?
My statement was specific to their list of hate groups, which, in my opinion, is worthless. Such a thought does not extend to everything they have done. In fact, the point is, I don't take their list of hate groups at face value. There are group I could look at on their page and agree with them. But if I didn't know and/or believe they were hate groups from otherwise research, I wouldn't believe it just because a group made the SPLC list.
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:44 am

Tim Bonney wrote:By the way, what does it mean to be an advocate for "traditional marriage?" which traditions, in which century? Certainly in the New Testament era marriage was nothing like it is now.

This isn't a scholarly overview. But it lists a whole history of marriage practices that were once the tradition that are nothing like we do now, or like what was done in the NT period.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti ... ge-history


I see the comment being stated in the context of traditional marriage as shown in scripture...

Marriage is to be between one man and one woman till death do them part. A very Biblical tradition I think most understand in the US - even if they disagree with it.
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby JE Pettibone » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:41 am

Ed: Jon, you seem to be over looking centuries of Biblical tradition on marriage recorded in Scripture.
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Re: Unique Advocacy for Traditional Marriage

Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:47 am

Jon Estes wrote:Marriage is to be between one man and one woman till death do them part. A very Biblical tradition I think most understand in the US - even if they disagree with it.


Actually it is only one Biblical concept of marriage. (See OT, polygamy, Leverite Marriage) And in the Bible marriages were arranged by families not the choice of individuals. That was the tradition in much of the world until the around 1600 or so. Also in most cases the woman had no choice in marriage or little input in decisions once they were married.

Other than marriage being between men and women, not much of what we do with marriage currently follows a Biblical model of marriage.
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