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Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Sandy » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:18 pm

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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Dave Roberts » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:40 pm

Nobody in national politics is willing to call him a terrorist. Not brown, black, or middle eastern.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Rvaughn » Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:37 pm

I'm not in national politics, but I have no sympathy for him because of his whiteness. I have a son, daughter-in-law, and (especially) 2 grandchildren in Austin, so that may affect my lack of sympathy.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby ET » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:13 am

Dave Roberts wrote:Nobody in national politics is willing to call him a terrorist. Not brown, black, or middle eastern.

Because he doesn't meet the definition, just as any other killer who kills multiple people doesn't automatically meet the definition of a terrorist. Unless the killer is tied to some known group that advocates the use of violence to achieve some kind of goal, I think it's just sloppy use of the language to consider this guy a "terrorist".

However, he should get credit for doing his part to end "gun" violence.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Haruo » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:23 am

Question is whether this guns-and-chemicals kids' gang called RIOT that he was allegedly active in might be a terror group. I don't know. Timothy McVeigh comes to mind.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Haruo » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:28 am

Oops, I called it a gang, which suggests the kids were nonwhite. I should have said club, so you would know most if not all of them were white.

That's sort of tongue in cheek, but there is a real sense in which club-vs-gang is color-coded, and police responses to the two terms differ. Even though the activities may be identical.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:40 am

Haruo wrote:Question is whether this guns-and-chemicals kids' gang called RIOT that he was allegedly active in might be a terror group.
Got any more info on this gang? I've never heard of it. We have a different RIOT groups in Texas -- Robbery Investigators Of Texas -- but I'm assuming these aren't the same folks!
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:47 am

ET wrote:Because he doesn't meet the definition, just as any other killer who kills multiple people doesn't automatically meet the definition of a terrorist. Unless the killer is tied to some known group that advocates the use of violence to achieve some kind of goal, I think it's just sloppy use of the language to consider this guy a "terrorist".
ET, I found your comment intriguing, so looked around to see what is the definition of terrorist. There are different definitions and usages by different people and entities, but it appears to me that the following is the definition followed by the Federal government.

(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group practicing, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;

22 U.S. Code § 2656f

I agree, from what we currently know about the Austin bomber he does not meet this definition.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:51 am

Then again, it might be under this definition of domestic terrorism:

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

18 U.S. Code § 2331

Too many definitions to fuss over. The dude was crazy or evil or both.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Haruo » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:27 pm

Rvaughn wrote:
Haruo wrote:Question is whether this guns-and-chemicals kids' gang called RIOT that he was allegedly active in might be a terror group.
Got any more info on this gang? I've never heard of it. We have a different RIOT groups in Texas -- Robbery Investigators Of Texas -- but I'm assuming these aren't the same folks!

Well, this isn't the same source I had previously seen it in (I think it was from the Independent in Britain), but here is an [quote=http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2018/03/report-austin-bomber-trained-with-christian-survivalist-group/]article with much the same content[/quote] about "Righteous Invasion Of Truth", the club/gang I was talking about.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:58 pm

Right now Snopes.com is rating this "Unproven" -- which I think basically means they don't have enough info to confirm or deny.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Haruo » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:03 pm

Rvaughn wrote:Right now Snopes.com is rating this "Unproven" -- which I think basically means they don't have enough info to confirm or deny.

Yeah, that's why I said "allegedly".
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby ET » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:00 am

I tend to require and believe a political motivation or goal is necessary to reach the classification of "terrorism". McVeigh would fit that bill for "domestic terrorism", as he had a grudge against the government. I think a "gang" tends to have some aspect of illegal activity to one degree or another, at least in the common usage of the term. A white kid in a "club" wouldn't meet the definition of a gang unless the club itself had some nefarious activity as part of its regular activities.
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby JE Pettibone » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:05 am

Dave Roberts wrote:Nobody in national politics is willing to call him a terrorist. Not brown, black, or middle eastern.


Ed: Dave are, you suggesting that he did not engender a good bit of terror among the residents of Austin?
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby KeithE » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:03 am

I do not know about public/press sympathies in this Austin case,

but when it really counts, whites receive more sympathetic treatment than blacks or hispanics:

In police altercations: The Data Is In: Police Disproportionately Killed Black People in 2017

In the Criminal Justice System: What It’s Like to Be Black in the Criminal Justice System - 6 Charts
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Re: Sympathy for Austin Bomber because he's white?

Postby Sandy » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:48 am

He was white, and he was sympathetic to conservative political causes, and he was male. He gets a pass from the right wing media, and most of the right wing, on being labelled the same way that anyone of another political perspective or race would have been. Period.
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