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Sandy writes "All we know is that there were 13 Russians indicted. We don't know whether or not they, or the counsel, has information that proves collusion. But it certainly does provide evidence that disproves the "fake news, witch hunt" rhetoric that comes out of the White House."

Ed: If "all we know" is "that there were 13 Russians indicted, where is the "evidence"? It is interesting how both Republicans and Democrats claim the indictments favor themselves.

Quite a busy day around the Mueller investigation, with the developments surrounding Manafort and Gates. If you're following this, you can see where it's going. We're well beyond refuting claims of this being a witch hunt, or fake news, or debating whether there might have been collusion or not. Now we're down to who colluded, when, how, and whether or not Trump, and Pence, knew and when they knew.

Real news.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/02/23 ... ardon.html

OK, now we're cooking. These latest indictments have something to do with the trump campaign?

Funny how Trey Gowdy's probe dried up when he found he would also have to charge Colin Powell and Condi Rice for the email issue. Guess he wasn't willing to go as far as 45 expected.

KeithE wrote:

Frankly, being President is the only way Trump’s [sic] could have been granted a security clearance.

Ed: What other need whold he have for it?

Yeah, I know you guys are off and running. My question was about these indictments being something about the campaign. Were they?

Off and running...

It is reported that these latest indictments have NOTHING to do with Trump campaign collusion. Don't know why it's so hard to say that.

You guys, one notices, are now talking about a full trump term unless manafort is pardoned in which case there will be impeachment. No more talk of electoral college revolt, etc etc

Perhaps this is progress.

ED: I have read both your and William's post and stand by my earlier response.