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I Love A Parade

Postby Joseph Patrick » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:09 am

From Gerry Milligan

I do not think that anyone reading this enjoys a parade as much as I do, but our president wants a military parade on Pennsylvania Avenue. A military parade is not the Rose Parade or Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. In my time serving in some third world countries I saw a couple of military parades. One word describe them: BORING! First, military persons passing by a reviewing stand, over and over. Then there are the tanks and armored personnel carriers chewing up the road with their treads. If it happens on the fourth of July with the heat and humidity of Washington D.C. the roads will be really trashed. And we get to pay for it. Not my idea of fun. I hope that our president's ego does not over rule cooler heads, but really doubt it.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Haruo » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:04 pm

I hope the countermarchers (and there will be some) will not be attacked or arrested, and will not do anything that in my opinion warrants arrest. Ellin Jimmerson recently broached an idea (throwing Moonpies at the troops) that I thought was risky in that regard.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Sandy » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:34 pm

My Dad worked at a military base when I was growing up, and I remember going to the Armed Forces Day parade. We sat in bleachers at the side of a flat area of ground that was called the Chaffee Parade Grounds. The post commanding general and his staff rode in jeeps at the front, there was an army band, and the rest of the parade was each company lined up marching past. This was in Arizona, so after the first four or five companies had marched past, the dust started to rise off the parade ground. That was the parade. The arm base, Ft. Huachuca, was headquarters for the strategic communication command, and was the technology and electronics proving ground, so there weren't any tanks or military equipment to parade.

I saw the estimates for the cost of this Trump boondoggle. Maybe we could take those tax dollars and finish getting electricity to Puerto Rico and water for Flint.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Rvaughn » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:05 pm

I'm not keen on parades in general, or the President's idea for a military parade, but...
Haruo wrote:Ellin Jimmerson recently broached an idea (throwing Moonpies at the troops) that I thought was risky in that regard.
Why would she want to do this? Because she can't throw moon pies at Trump?
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Haruo » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:16 pm

Well, I wasn't able to discuss it in any detail with her, because she was only interested in the responses of veterans and those currently serving in the armed forces. The basic question was how to counterdemonstrate in a clownish sort of way, in imitation of the way some town in Germany has responded to an annual Neo-Nazi get-together that takes place there.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Rvaughn » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:30 pm

I haven't read or heard much about this parade, but I assume those would be real American troops marching in it. If so, throwing anything at them, however clownishly, is a very bad idea.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby JE Pettibone » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:53 am

Rvaughn wrote:I haven't read or heard much about this parade, but I assume those would be real American troops marching in it. If so, throwing anything at them, however clownishly, is a very bad idea.


Ed: This Korean conflict vet, wonders if The President would arrange a substantial discount at his DC Hotel for vets who would like to attend? I would be glad to pay our air fare and ground transportation. I hate driving the Belt way, otherwise Trudy and I both enjoy visiting the Capital. On the 4th of July we will otherwise be in Oklahoma in our motor home on the way from Dallas and the CBF Assembly, heading to Wyoming for a regional Family Motor Coach Association rally.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Haruo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:14 am

Rvaughn wrote:I haven't read or heard much about this parade, but I assume those would be real American troops marching in it. If so, throwing anything at them, however clownishly, is a very bad idea.

That was certainly mÿ view, and eventually, I think, Ellin came around to it.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Haruo » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:17 am

For reasons unknown and perhaps unfathomable, my phone has started adding diareses to most but not all of the y's I type on it.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby Sandy » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:29 am

Rvaughn wrote:I haven't read or heard much about this parade, but I assume those would be real American troops marching in it. If so, throwing anything at them, however clownishly, is a very bad idea.


It doesn't make the point, to do something to troops forced to march in a parade, whether it's clownish, or not. They are there because they have to be, and many of them are likely to share the perspective of the protesters.

I honestly don't see the point of a military parade in a constitutional democratic republic. Such displays are best left to dictatorships who use them for bullying, threatening world peace, and propaganda tactics. If you have a strong military, you don't need to show it off as a means of aggression, you only use it when necessary to defend freedom and protect the peace. A military parade down the streets of the national capital is counter to everything on which this country was founded, and on which it stands.

Conservatives do a lot of high-pitched shrieking and lip flapping about how terrible our veterans are treated, though the tax cuts for the wealthy did absolutely nothing for veterans at all, and there's been zero in any Trump or GOP budget proposal. Why not spend some of the millions of taxpayer dollars this parade will cost on homeless and aging veterans? Maybe the government could match some of those nasty, kneeling NFL player foundations that are renovating homes for vets and helping them with medical costs.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby KeithE » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:21 am

Sandy wrote:I honestly don't see the point of a military parade in a constitutional democratic republic. Such displays are best left to dictatorships who use them for bullying, threatening world peace, and propaganda tactics. If you have a strong military, you don't need to show it off as a means of aggression, you only use it when necessary to defend freedom and protect the peace. A military parade down the streets of the national capital is counter to everything on which this country was founded, and on which it stands.


But Sandy, without much Congressional curtailment on Trump’s agenda (on Repubs or Dems part), we are approaching a dictatorship. The tax cut/2019 budget proposal basically gives $1.5T to corporations/very rich and takes $1.7T away from the poor (this is over ten years). With the large defense increase, the annual deficit in Trump’s budget is $984B/year (said to be $7T over 10 years assuming an optimistic 3%/year increased in GDP.) My prediction is the national debt will be at least $25T through FY 2021 if something close to Trump’s budget survives.

Besides Trump still wants a large crowd on the Mall which he didn't get on Inauguration day. Nor would he get many people to this parade (except for foreign spies with cameras).

Good to be back. I’ll study the budget proposals (Trump and Congressional) in detail in due time.
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby JE Pettibone » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:48 pm

Ed: Keith,"foreign spies with cameras" No, Keith those are Japanese tourist. :D
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Re: I Love A Parade

Postby JE Pettibone » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:54 pm

Sandy wrote:
Rvaughn wrote:I haven't read or heard much about this parade, but I assume those would be real American troops marching in it. If so, throwing anything at them, however clownishly, is a very bad idea.


It doesn't make the point, to do something to troops forced to march in a parade, whether it's clownish, or not. They are there because they have to be, and many of them are likely to share the perspective of the protesters.

I honestly don't see the point of a military parade in a constitutional democratic republic. Such displays are best left to dictatorships who use them for bullying, threatening world peace, and propaganda tactics. If you have a strong military, you don't need to show it off as a means of aggression, you only use it when necessary to defend freedom and protect the peace. A military parade down the streets of the national capital is counter to everything on which this country was founded, and on which it stands.

Conservatives do a lot of high-pitched shrieking and lip flapping about how terrible our veterans are treated, though the tax cuts for the wealthy did absolutely nothing for veterans at all, and there's been zero in any Trump or GOP budget proposal. Why not spend some of the millions of taxpayer dollars this parade will cost on homeless and aging veterans? Maybe the government could match some of those nasty, kneeling NFL player foundations that are renovating homes for vets and helping them with medical costs.


Ed: As we traveled last summer I stopped at three different VA Hospitals in Oregon, Oklahoma and Missouri to pick up meds as various prescription ran out. All seemed to be well staffed, and well maintained. The hospital for Central Florida is sort of remote but there are, walk-in clinics in several locations. Mine is 11 miles up the road. For me all prescriptions are $7.00 regardless of the medication. I was even informed I could get folic acid cheaper outside w/o a script.
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