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The Memo

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:36 pm

Here is a note I left on the facebook wall of the Greenwood SC Index Journal, the hometown paper of Congressman Jeff Duncan who made the cable clip at the SOTU asking Donald Dump about the Memo: Quoting myself:


I had a chat this morning with a DC STaffer for Congressman Jeff Duncan. I told him I had left a message with the Greenwood native and fellow Furman grad Tomiko Brown-Nagin encouraging her to submit a letter to the Index Journal re Duncan and his infamous clip at the State of the Union about The Memo. Two of Brown-Nagin's colleagues in the History department at Harvard have written a recently published work how Democracy Dies. It puts Donald Trump--I would add Duncan and his Freedom Caucus--in a long list of nefarious demagogues who have got us to this moment of the Fox News mendacity and unraveling of our institutions. Duncan is in league with Pitchford Ben Tillman, Wallace before he was shot, Huey Long, Father Coughlin, Joe McCarthy and others. So Greenwood, be proud of your congressman. Have a group read of this book. It is an easy google for NPR Fresh Air where the authors were interviewed last week......I hope Tomiko Brown-Nagin chmies in Soon!!!!
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Re: The Memo

Postby William Thornton » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:39 pm

They should be investigating Fox...
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Re: The Memo

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Re: The Memo

Postby Jon Estes » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:01 am

The memo brings support to a lot of what is been talked about but not much new.

That the FBI says what it contains is factual is important. It may be missing some context, we really do not know.
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Re: The Memo

Postby Sandy » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:28 am

The memo turned out to be much ado about nothing, at least as far as the claims of the Trump administration against the FBI. What it did do was confirm that the FBI's investigation into possible collusion had more than one source, was legitimate, and actually originated with Papadopoulous, prior to the dossier. It's pretty clear that Trump wants to try to shut down the Mueller investigation, but he can't, because a direct move would initiate his impreachment, even among the mindless party line Republicans in Congress now. No wonder Hope Hicks, and some of his other close advisors, were working so hard to try to keep this memo from being released. And now they've got Carter Page exchanging testimony for immunity, or at least, cutting some kind of deal.

I think Senator McCain's evaluation was right on target.
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Re: The Memo

Postby Jim » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:04 am

Political Treachery

He read the famous memo, thought
That nothing cheaper could be wrought
And wondered if stupidity
Or deep-seated venality
Or hatred on enormous scale
Had driven those beyond the pale
Of larceny to such degree –
A travesty of decency.

The opposition candidate
All pollsters claimed inadequate
And had no chance to win the race,
That if he should meant great disgrace;
But top honchos named in memo
In former prexy's status quo
Still felt the need to sink their foe,
Used subterfuge...thus, truth forgo.

And so they used false document
To fool a court, with grim intent
To wiretap friend of opponent
Without his knowledge or consent;
A warrant based on subterfuge...
A legal violation, huge,
Was issued for this travesty –
Exquisite form of treachery.

What then must one conclude about
This vile attempt the laws to flout
Except that opportunists screw
The Constitution through and through
Since Fourth Amendment makes it plain
That privacy is one's domain
And must not suffer detriment,
Especially by government.

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Re: The Memo

Postby Tim Bonney » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:23 pm

Sandy wrote:The memo turned out to be much ado about nothing, at least as far as the claims of the Trump administration against the FBI. What it did do was confirm that the FBI's investigation into possible collusion had more than one source, was legitimate, and actually originated with Papadopoulous, prior to the dossier. It's pretty clear that Trump wants to try to shut down the Mueller investigation, but he can't, because a direct move would initiate his impreachment, even among the mindless party line Republicans in Congress now. No wonder Hope Hicks, and some of his other close advisors, were working so hard to try to keep this memo from being released. And now they've got Carter Page exchanging testimony for immunity, or at least, cutting some kind of deal.

I think Senator McCain's evaluation was right on target.


It’s amazing how often I find myself agreeing with John McCain lately.

I don’t know what the White House hoped to gain from this. It seems mostly a dud. And I agree if Trump fires Mueller he is basically making himself look guilty. Why have a cover up if there is nothing to cover up?
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Re: The Memo

Postby Rvaughn » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:30 pm

If I find myself agreeing with John McCain, I will never admit it! :D
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Re: The Memo

Postby Jim » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:21 pm

Stephen Fox wrote: It puts Donald Trump--I would add Duncan and his Freedom Caucus--in a long list of nefarious demagogues who have got us to this moment of the Fox News mendacity and unraveling of our institutions.


Aw...don't sweat it. There's a rumor that ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN, not to mention Obamessiah, are setting up a Fifth-Column army to defeat the evil FOX NEWS and reduce it to part-time slapstick featuring Maddow as the undisputed queen of fake news. Stay tuned.

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Barack Hussein sat in White House
Right near the end of eight years done,
Knew Hillary was such a louse
But craved for her – yep – Air Force One;
It was a grim decision...yes...
But she could lie as well as he
And though she was at best a mess
He had to gain her victory.

At stake, of course, was legacy...
He thought it was Obamacare
But finally began to see
That it was way beyond repair
And soon implosion would take place
But Hillary its life could spare
And save him from some sure disgrace
By tweaking it, with lies to spare.

And so he called in his A-G
And F-B-I director, too,
Gave them a plan to instantly
Commit a bit of derring-do...
It was illegal to a fault
But it was crunch-time...and in spades,
A loss would not his name exalt,
Put legacy in shades of fades.

The trio then fine-tuned his plan,
Cooked-up a document to show,
That opposition's right-hand man
Was secretly a Russian pro
At fixing voting anywhere...
Petitioned Court for wiretap scheme,
Used document, director's swear,
Alas...though...truth destroyed their dream.

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Re: The Memo

Postby Haruo » Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:07 am

William Thornton wrote:They should be investigating Fox...

How true. Wait, which Fox?
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Re: The Memo

Postby Sandy » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 pm

Rvaughn wrote:If I find myself agreeing with John McCain, I will never admit it! :D


I wonder how many people here would have held that opinion in 2008?

The memo might have had a little bit more impact, and a little bit more bang, at least from a media perspective, if it had come out before the dossier was confirmed as being accurate, and before there was knowledge that it was not the only source of information used to cause the warrants to be issued, and to cause their continued activation. Even if the dossier wasn't completely accurate, it's not the only support for the warrants. They've already charged Papadopoulous, and got a plea from him, and now they've got Carter Page, whom the Trump administration threw under the bus. And of course there's the fact that this particular memo originated with the Republicans on the house committee, and is therefore politically tainted. It's a zero, and whether you agree with McCain across the board or not, he's right about this. So is Trey Gowdy, whom I haven't found much with which to agree, either. Looks like a lot of Republicans see the handwriting on the wall and are taking steps to cover their rears and make a place for an "I told you so" moment during the cominng impeachment.
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Re: The Memo

Postby Rvaughn » Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:45 pm

Sandy wrote:
Rvaughn wrote:If I find myself agreeing with John McCain, I will never admit it! :D

I wonder how many people here would have held that opinion in 2008?
Can't speak for anyone else, but I've always held that opinion of John McCain.
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If not Thornton

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:42 pm

Certainly his tribe is named implicitly in this article; pretty much spot on


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Re: If not Thornton

Postby Sandy » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:02 am

Stephen Fox wrote:Certainly his tribe is named implicitly in this article; pretty much spot on


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/op ... 99143ef141


Mark 13:22

2 Corinthians 11:14. Or "two Corinthians."
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Re: If not Thornton

Postby Jon Estes » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:11 pm

Sandy wrote:
Stephen Fox wrote:Certainly his tribe is named implicitly in this article; pretty much spot on


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/op ... 99143ef141


Mark 13:22

2 Corinthians 11:14. Or "two Corinthians."


I have church members who would say Two Corinthians.
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Re: The Memo

Postby Haruo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:24 pm

Yeah, Two BOOK NAME is a perfectly legitimate variant of Second BOOK NAME. It sounds silly to people who have been raised in the latter dialect, but these are seriously just dialectal variants. In Sacred Harp we call the tune OLD HUNDRED, and if I slip and say OLD HUNDREDTH folks without a roundnote hymnal background look at me like what?
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Re: The Memo

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:06 pm

Haruo wrote:if I slip and say OLD HUNDREDTH
What!? :o
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Re: The Memo

Postby Haruo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Rvaughn wrote:
Haruo wrote:if I slip and say OLD HUNDREDTH
What!? :o

Er, I mean....
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Re: The Memo

Postby Haruo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:18 pm

Well, actually we usually call it "49t". The text usually sung to it is not "Praise God from whom all blessings flow" but rather (in both Denson and Cooper)
Oh come, loud anthems let us sing,
Loud thanks to our Almighty King.
For we our voices high should raise,
When our salvation’s Rock we praise.
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Re: The Memo

Postby Haruo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:20 pm

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Re: The Memo

Postby Rvaughn » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:50 pm

The new 2012 Cooper added the "Praise God" text so we would have a second stanza (and I guess they just decided to use one they thought everyone was already familiar with).
http://resources.texasfasola.org/index/poetry/049a.html
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