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Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby KeithE » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:44 am

You may say Congress was elected by Americans but Congress is not following the wishes of the majority of the people.

Tax “reform”:
52% of Americans are against the GOP Tax Plan / 25% for it.
Voters Disapprove of GOP Tax Plans.
Remember independent analysis shows
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This big cuts for the wealthy is due to (1) likely stock market gains after the corporate tax rate cut from a nominal 35% to a nominal 20% and (2) the likely use of phony pass-through incorporation by the high paid to reduce their rate from 39.6/35% to 20% which is enabled by this law. These “likely’s” may not come through especially (1), but the hypocrisy of calling this tax plan a “Middle Class Tax Cut” is apparent. The claim of new jobs coming from corporate tax breaks is not going to happen unless there is more demand for products. A true Middle Class tax cut would immediate help the poor/middle class which improves the demand for products that would lead to higher paid jobs, more demand, more jobs, and a thriving economy. As is the middle and low classes are still suffering. Approximately half of America is not making a livable wage (and thus are living off relatives or what is left over of our country’s/state’s “safety net”)


Gun Control:
91% for a ban on the sale of guns to people convicted of a violent crime / 7% against
74% for a ban on gun modifications that can make a gun work more like a fully automatic weapon / 24% against it
62% for stricter regulation of ammunition sales / 34% against it

Voters Strongly Support Tougher Gun Control lotsa of good poll questions beyond gun control here.

I have several other examples of Congress not following the will of the people, but I have other things to do for the rest of the day. I’ll add more later.

Call your congressmen and make them be your representative. Probably too late for House Tax Vote today, but not too late Senate vote. And I just heard the news that a “Gun Control Bill” is now offered - don’t know the details.
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Rvaughn » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:01 am

I am cynical about politics and often critical of Congress...
but wouldn't it be more accurate to compare each Senator or Representative to the views of the State or District that elected him or her -- as opposed to a national poll -- for considering how good a job they are doing "representing Americans" or "following the will of the people"? (It appears that this is a national opinion poll.)
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby KeithE » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:14 am

Rvaughn wrote:I am cynical about politics and often critical of Congress...
but wouldn't it be more accurate to compare each Senator or Representative to the views of the State or District that elected him or her -- as opposed to a national poll -- for considering how good a job they are doing "representing Americans" or "following the will of the people"? (It appears that this is a national opinion poll.)

Good idea - you will discover that the Congressional Progressive Caucus are much closer aligned with the people.
CPC members many off which are demonized by the RW press.

Most of Congress is more aligned with their donors (rich people, big corporations (Wall Street, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Food), and the NRA).
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Sandy » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:00 pm

Rvaughn wrote:I am cynical about politics and often critical of Congress...
but wouldn't it be more accurate to compare each Senator or Representative to the views of the State or District that elected him or her -- as opposed to a national poll -- for considering how good a job they are doing "representing Americans" or "following the will of the people"? (It appears that this is a national opinion poll.)


It's never my congressman that I don't like when I respond to those polls. It's yours.
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Rvaughn » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:47 pm

Sandy wrote:It's never my congressman that I don't like when I respond to those polls. It's yours.
Probably so, but we don't care since we didn't elect ours to represent you. :wink:
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Sandy » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:39 pm

Rvaughn wrote:
Sandy wrote:It's never my congressman that I don't like when I respond to those polls. It's yours.
Probably so, but we don't care since we didn't elect ours to represent you. :wink:


Yep, and when you get asked in a poll about congress, you point to my congressman and say that's why you don't like it.
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Rvaughn » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:40 pm

If I get asked in a poll about Congress (or anything else) I usually say, "No, thanks, I'm not interested."

I think we have two different topics going on here. One is whether Congress is doing a good job and whether all Americans have a right to complain about them. My answer to that would be "no" and "yes".

The other is concerning whether "Congress is representing Americans" which I say in some sense is the wrong question. Senators and Representatives are not there to represent all Americans, but those who elected them. The question is whether they are actually representing the group of Americans who elected.
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Haruo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:18 pm

Rvaughn wrote:If I get asked in a poll about Congress (or anything else) I usually say, "No, thanks, I'm not interested."

I think we have two different topics going on here. One is whether Congress is doing a good job and whether all Americans have a right to complain about them. My answer to that would be "no" and "yes".

The other is concerning whether "Congress is representing Americans" which I say in some sense is the wrong question. Senators and Representatives are not there to represent all Americans, but those who elected them. The question is whether they are actually representing the group of Americans who elected.

I would take exception to the sentence I underlined. I believe that Senators and Representatives are there to represent the entire population of the jurisdiction from which they were elected, and that if they serve those who elected them at the expense of those who voted for their electoral opponents or who did not vote, then they are not doing their job.
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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Rvaughn » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:19 pm

Haruo wrote:
Rvaughn wrote:Senators and Representatives are not there to represent all Americans, but those who elected them. The question is whether they are actually representing the group of Americans who elected [them].

I would take exception to the sentence I underlined. I believe that Senators and Representatives are there to represent the entire population of the jurisdiction from which they were elected, and that if they serve those who elected them at the expense of those who voted for their electoral opponents or who did not vote, then they are not doing their job.
Here you are taking exception to something I did not write well and you did not understand well. I'll try to clarify. If you still take exception, that is your privilege, but maybe then it will be to what I mean rather than what I didn't mean.

When I wrote, "Senators and Representatives are not there to represent all Americans, but those who elected them" I meant, for example, that John Cornyn and Ted Cruz are elected by the citizens of the state of Texas. They should represent all the citizens of the state of Texas (which doesn't mean agreeing with all of them), but they are not representing the citizens of the state of Washington, who have no choice or part in the matter. Louie Gohmert is elected by the citizens of the 1st Congressional District of the state of Texas, and he is there to represent them (all of them, those who voted for him, voted against him, and didn't vote). But he is not elected by or representing those who live in the 2nd Congressional District of the state of Texas, who have no choice or part in the matter. That is what I mean about representing the people that elected them, that is, the political entity from which they were sent to Congress. So when we talk about "Congress not representing Americans" I think we have to poll the political and geographical entity from which they are elected in order to see whether they are or are not representing them -- as opposed to polling Americans in all 50 states. I hope that clarifies the issue.

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Re: Congress Not Representing Americans

Postby Dave Roberts » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:48 am

Sadly, far too many of them represent the money that financed their campaigns, not the people who actually voted for them. We have the best politicians money can buy.
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