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William Thornton wrote:Cheap shot nonsense.
Dave Roberts wrote:I guess this pretty well sums up what we are seeing in health care and in Puerto Rico.
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Rvaughn wrote:Not sure which verse that is a parody of -- the one where Jesus told the government to do those things, or individual Christians?
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Rvaughn wrote:Not sure which verse that is a parody of -- the one where Jesus told the government to do those things, or individual Christians?
Jon Estes wrote:If we could, I would start with all the liberals here. There is a healing needed in this neck of cyberspace. TIC
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KeithE wrote:Today, many try but cannot support their family. You seem to be calling them infidels.
Haruo wrote:KeithE wrote:Today, many try but cannot support their family. You seem to be calling them infidels.
It's worse than that. He's saying (or appears to be) that God is calling them worse than infidels.
Haruo wrote:KeithE wrote:Today, many try but cannot support their family. You seem to be calling them infidels.
It's worse than that. He's saying (or appears to be) that God is calling them worse than infidels.
KeithE wrote:It shows how an inerrantist selects what s(he) wants (ignoring much) which makes a mockery over their inerrancy stance.
Jon Estes wrote:Haruo wrote:KeithE wrote:Today, many try but cannot support their family. You seem to be calling them infidels.
It's worse than that. He's saying (or appears to be) that God is calling them worse than infidels.
Contextually as 1 Timothy is speaking to the church in being helpful to those struggling through life, God's is very clear in what He expects from the Christian man... husband... father who has been given the charge to take the role of leadership in the home.
The man who can work but won't work to provide for his family is useless. It is not the churches role to prop up the lazy man who has more excuses than drive to be a God fearing... responsible man leading the Family God gave him and has called him to lead/serve.
I have dealt with many men asking for funds who take the government help instead of a low paying job. It is not the role of the church to be the husband... father in the home of the people.
If you got a problem with God calling such men infidels, take it up with God or simply get your cultural scissors and cut another verse you disagree with out of His book.
God doesn't stroke the sinner to smooth Him, why should we.
I can live with 2 Thes. 3:10
Jon Estes wrote:Keith,
My argument is not against liberals here. It is pro scripture.
Liberal or not - to deny the Bible teaches this, denies the Bible.
If people want to give their money to lazy people - let them. Just don't ask for mine.
I find it sad that some people want to think of Jesus as the great social Lord. There are many people in scripture who went unhealed. There were people who still died. POaul was not healed from the thorn in his side.
Sometimes God acted in a way which if people wanted to be healed, they had to make the move - respond to His directives (Brass serpent on a pole in middle of camp)
Sorry - the God you like (in your submitted picture) is not the God of scripture. We do not get to dictate who He must help -- heal -- make happy.
If we could, I would start with all the liberals here. There is a healing needed in this neck of cyberspace. TIC
KeithE wrote:Jon Estes wrote:Keith,
My argument is not against liberals here. It is pro scripture.
Liberal or not - to deny the Bible teaches this, denies the Bible.
If people want to give their money to lazy people - let them. Just don't ask for mine.
If you are so pro-scripture, then go with the 50+ biblical verses that say to help the poor (after perhaps finding out whether or not they are lazy first).
Your reaction the Dave’s graphic:I find it sad that some people want to think of Jesus as the great social Lord. There are many people in scripture who went unhealed. There were people who still died. POaul was not healed from the thorn in his side.
Sometimes God acted in a way which if people wanted to be healed, they had to make the move - respond to His directives (Brass serpent on a pole in middle of camp)
Sorry - the God you like (in your submitted picture) is not the God of scripture. We do not get to dictate who He must help -- heal -- make happy.
If we could, I would start with all the liberals here. There is a healing needed in this neck of cyberspace. TIC
shows your unconcern for sick, and the poor (despite the the 50+ biblical injections to do so) and your dislike of those “liberals” who take it seriously.
For the record, I’m in favor of workfare and welfare for those who cannot work through being disabled (or in times when work is not available - not true in most of the US at present but very true in places throughout the world right now).
Jon Estes wrote:KeithE wrote:Jon Estes wrote:Keith,
My argument is not against liberals here. It is pro scripture.
Liberal or not - to deny the Bible teaches this, denies the Bible.
If people want to give their money to lazy people - let them. Just don't ask for mine.
If you are so pro-scripture, then go with the 50+ biblical verses that say to help the poor (after perhaps finding out whether or not they are lazy first).
Your reaction the Dave’s graphic:I find it sad that some people want to think of Jesus as the great social Lord. There are many people in scripture who went unhealed. There were people who still died. POaul was not healed from the thorn in his side.
Sometimes God acted in a way which if people wanted to be healed, they had to make the move - respond to His directives (Brass serpent on a pole in middle of camp)
Sorry - the God you like (in your submitted picture) is not the God of scripture. We do not get to dictate who He must help -- heal -- make happy.
If we could, I would start with all the liberals here. There is a healing needed in this neck of cyberspace. TIC
shows your unconcern for sick, and the poor (despite the the 50+ biblical injections to do so) and your dislike of those “liberals” who take it seriously.
For the record, I’m in favor of workfare and welfare for those who cannot work through being disabled (or in times when work is not available - not true in most of the US at present but very true in places throughout the world right now).
You do understand TIC... don't you?
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