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Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby KeithE » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:23 pm

A Democratic donor:
Harvey Weinstein fired from film studio he co-founded after recent harassment allegations - 8 women


A Republican donor recipient:
US election: What are the sexual allegations against Donald Trump? - 13 women
who has been caught on tape admitting to what is usually called sexual abuse:
Access Hollywood Trump video

One fired, one still President.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:11 pm

One sacked. One elected. Deal with it.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Haruo » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:47 pm

William Thornton wrote:One sacked. One elected. Deal with it.

In this case the Democrats (not the one accused of abuse, but the other ones) seem to have taken such allegations much more seriously than the Republicans (the ones who elected him and let him stay in his adult day care situation), even though the same Republicans wanted to impeach the other Clinton over such stuff.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:12 am

This is at times the ihatetrump forum. No reason to dredge up any of the old allegations against trump other than to express such and to add another stanza to the whine about how the American masses who elected him are idiots and inferior to sober progressives, presumably the ones who didn't think abuse, harassment, and even rape allegations against their president were worth discussing.

There's irony all around. I'll maintain my conjecture that some aren't over the election yet.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:16 am

But, let's note that Keith, whatever his motivation, said something about the sleazy entertainment mogul. The Clintons and Obamas are silent.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby KeithE » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:55 am

William Thornton wrote:But, let's note that Keith, whatever his motivation, said something about the sleazy entertainment mogul. The Clintons and Obamas are silent.


And I'm waiting for William to say something negative about our sleazy President. But Willam might not find fault with Trump even if Trump shot someone in plain sight

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said at a campaign rally here.


He could claim that Christians should always support their leaders (Romans 13 style), but he blew that one during Obama’s and Clinton’s presidency.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:32 am

Not so bro. I was a hold-my-nose supporter of Obama and Clinton for 16 years, though more critical of Clinton who substantially lowered the bar for presidents. You may find an acerbic post or two on Clinton from 20 years ago but I always liked Barack, just not his policies. Get your facts straight here. My mod lib friends are sometimes amazing. This was the ihatebush forum for eight years. Now, ihatetrump. Deal with it.

Didn't vote for the guy. Hope he succeeds in many policy areas. Like his scotus appointment and rollback of many of the possibly illegal Obama rules, etc.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:45 am

I should add that I'm not all that invested in these discussions but it's fair to point out the nonsense when it comes here. If Hil were prez I'd follow the same practice as for Obama although I have little respect for her, more for Obama.

To spell it out: the nonsense here is in interjecting, gratuitously, Trump in the scleazy scandal concerning the mogul Hil and Barack have yet to criticize. Trump does enough otherwise that ought to get my mod/lib friends' attention.
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Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:30 am

To read the Susan Estrich book on Hillary from about 2004. I may share my free copy with him with a pledge to return it before Chistmas. It should be in the Windr Lyberry.

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Burgess is hardwired to the Cliff Simms network now in the White House, Rick had a confrontation with Russ Moore on air spring of last year, and interviewed Donald Trump on air Monday before the Strange Judge Moore election. Best I remember Burgess did not bring up the Sonsabithches utterance of Trump in Huntsville just three days before.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Sandy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:22 pm

Trump has his own sexual abuse allegations to worry about. 12 of them, at this point.

William Thornton wrote:To spell it out: the nonsense here is in interjecting, gratuitously, Trump in the scleazy scandal concerning the mogul Hil and Barack have yet to criticize.


Mentioning Hil and Barack is diversion. The failure to apply the same standard to Trump that you applied to Bill Clinton renders such claims laughable and hypocritical. Trump and Weinstein are two peas in a pod.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby David Flick » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:57 am

William Thornton wrote:To spell it out: the nonsense here is in interjecting, gratuitously, Trump in the scleazy scandal concerning the mogul Hil and Barack have yet to criticize.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Dave Roberts » Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:30 am

What I see in this is the unlimited corrupting power of money in American politics. Trump has it so we can't criticize him. Weinstein spread his around, so he gets immunity from political critics. Mitch is in the pocket of drug companies, so he can't really address the opioid crisis sweeping the hills of KY. The Koch's and Sorros have their fully owned congress members. Until we address the money issues, this will continue. Didn't Jesus have something to say about the "love of money?"
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby KeithE » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:20 am

David Flick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:To spell it out: the nonsense here is in interjecting, gratuitously, Trump in the scleazy scandal concerning the mogul Hil and Barack have yet to criticize.

How about three peas in a pod.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby KeithE » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:21 am

Dave Roberts wrote:What I see in this is the unlimited corrupting power of money in American politics. Trump has it so we can't criticize him. Weinstein spread his around, so he gets immunity from political critics. Mitch is in the pocket of drug companies, so he can't really address the opioid crisis sweeping the hills of KY. The Koch's and Sorros have their fully owned congress members. Until we address the money issues, this will continue. Didn't Jesus have something to say about the "love of money?"

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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Jim » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:28 am

Weinstein is a creep and probably did most of the things he's been accused of. No witnesses (corroboration) are available to the actions mentioned (or at least most of them). The much larger picture, as George Clooney mentioned, is that the selling/buying of bodies was the way Hollywood operated back in the day and still operates. Virtually all of the women crawling out of the woodwork from long years ago, as well as recently, knew this but, directly or indirectly, played the game, just part of the oldest profession. Bubba Clinton and Cosby were artists, every bit as good (bad) as Weinstein.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Sandy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:07 pm

KeithE wrote:How about three peas in a pod.


Well, William's post only mentioned Hillary Clinton, and errantly pointed out that she's been silent. I'll point out that he's not listening. So yeah, sure, to be fair, three peas in a pod, Trump, Weinstein and Bill Clinton.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Haruo » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:25 pm

Jim wrote:Weinstein is a creep and probably did most of the things he's been accused of. No witnesses (corroboration) are available to the actions mentioned (or at least most of them). The much larger picture, as George Clooney mentioned, is that the selling/buying of bodies was the way Hollywood operated back in the day and still operates. Virtually all of the women crawling out of the woodwork from long years ago, as well as recently, knew this but, directly or indirectly, played the game, just part of the oldest profession. Bubba Clinton and Cosby were artists, every bit as good (bad) as Weinstein.

Occasionally you are spot on. I don't see anything to object to in that assessment, even though you didn't mention Trump.

I used to think folks who didn't want their daughters to grow up to be actors were old fogeys.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Sandy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:58 pm

Haruo wrote:I used to think folks who didn't want their daughters to grow up to be actors were old fogeys.


Or news reporters, when you consider what happened at Fox News, with Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly.

And just a reminder, if we start separating out "Hollywood" and "the media" as creepy.

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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:36 pm

William Thornton wrote:There's irony all around. I'll maintain my conjecture that some aren't over the election yet.


Honestly William? The country elected a man who supports right wing nationalism, near fascism, racism, xenophobia, etc. We will be darn lucky if the country gets over this election. This isn't like previous elections. This isn't like the usual GOP versus the DNC. This man is so far out of the norm that members of his own party are wanting him out of the White House. Trump isn't a Republican. He is a man who dreams of being dictator of his own banana republic.

There is nothing ironic about not being over this election. The situation we are in is far too frightening for it to be irony.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:52 pm

Well, OK, guess we're not over it.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Haruo » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Sandy wrote:
Haruo wrote:I used to think folks who didn't want their daughters to grow up to be actors were old fogeys.


Or news reporters, when you consider what happened at Fox News, with Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly.

And just a reminder, if we start separating out "Hollywood" and "the media" as creepy.

http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm

Granted, it's endemic in lots of fields and locations, not just Hollywood. It's a Lord Acton sort of thing, I think. (Which is not to say down-and-outers never sexually abuse anybody.)
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Sandy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:54 pm

William Thornton wrote:Well, OK, guess we're not over it.


Same attempt at diversion, over and over and over and over.......

You don't get it. Stop trying.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby David Flick » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:04 am

William Thornton wrote:Well, OK, guess we're not over it.
    Sandy wrote:Same attempt at diversion, over and over and over and over.......

    You don't get it. Stop trying.
      Yep, you (and your compatriots) aren't over it yet. You've proved that over and over and over and over.......
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby Sandy » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:40 am

David Flick wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Well, OK, guess we're not over it.
    Sandy wrote:Same attempt at diversion, over and over and over and over.......

    You don't get it. Stop trying.
      Yep, you (and your compatriots) aren't over it yet. You've proved that over and over and over and over.......


That, coming from a global warming denialist is total confirmation of its accuracy.

And I really am interested in hearing when you became a fundamentalist.
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Re: Sexual Abuse Allegations

Postby William Thornton » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:44 am

Sandy wrote:
William Thornton wrote:Well, OK, guess we're not over it.


Same attempt at diversion, over and over and over and over.......

You don't get it. Stop trying.


Well, Timothy indicated he (and the country) weren't over it....suppose it was a clever diversion for me to agree with him.
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