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Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Haruo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:19 am

How's it looking down there?
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby William Thornton » Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:05 pm

Well' I think the guy is a nut but he's Stephen and Keiths' senator, not mine.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Haruo » Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:42 pm

Not yet. Maybe the Dems will try a serious run for it. Post-Wallace Dems, ie.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby KeithE » Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:37 pm

The media will be giving Doug Jones (the Democratic candidate and US Attorney) a hearing, and they have loads of money.

Read about Jones' priorities here.

Read about Moore’s past political actions here including twice being removed from office, claiming Sharia Law is already in place in Illinois and Indiana.

Not that many here will vote and I think I know how Stephen and myself will vote.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:18 am

KeithE wrote:The media will be giving Doug Jones (the Democratic candidate and US Attorney) a hearing, and they have loads of money.

Read about Jones' priorities here.

Read about Moore’s past political actions here including twice being removed from office, claiming Sharia Law is already in place in Illinois and Indiana.

Not that many here will vote and I think I know how Stephen and myself will vote.


I hope the left pours millions into this lost cause for them. The more they spend to beat Moore and lose in the state that supported Trump with their vote --- 62+ % the less they have for other places.

Was it GA or SC that the DEMS poured truckloads of cash in for a special election only to say goodbye to the moolah.

One more time Dems... One more time...

Maybe they can then write a book on why they lost. Sounds original. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:33 am

From what I can see, the mainstream GOP was hoping they did not have to run Roy Moore because he is seen as such a divisive figure. I don't know Alabama politics, but Moore keeps embarrassing the GOP on the national stage. I can only imagine what he would be like in the US Senate.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:38 am

This was a very entertaining race to watch, strange in many ways (couldn't resist). Strange had the full endorsement of Trump, money from his campaign, and a string of public appearances from the VP, along with a last day rally appearance by Trump himself. Didn't help. In fact, Strange's final vote total showed a 5% drop from his position in the polling data a week earlier. Trump lied that Strange "gained 25% in the polls" after he endorsed him. Not sure why he bothered to say that since those polls are always wrong ya know? Strange was pretty steady throughout the campaign at 46-48%, but dropped after Trump's endorsement and appearance and finished at just under 44%. Trump never really had enough support to "drag" any other candidates across the line, and he's lost enough at this point to be a liability for most Republicans, even in red states.

A few observations:

1. Democrats collectively spent about $1 million on special elections in Montana, Kansas and South Carolina, all deep red states, and all deep red districts. Republicans had won those districts in November by 60% or more of the vote. But the Democrats collectively gained 15% of the vote in all three, on virtually no money because the party basically had written them off. All three finished above 45%, with the Kansas race actually not being called for several days because the mail-in absentee ballots had to be counted to determine the winner. And the Republican candidates collectively outspent the Democrats 20 to 1.

2. It was amusing to watch the Republicans holler about all the "outside money" that Ossoff got in the Georgia race, while 80% of the money spent on Handel came from outside sources, and she spent about double what he did to eke out a very narrow victory in a district that was gerrymandered for Newt Gingrich. That just months after the election, when Mike Price picked up over 60% of the vote in the same district. Ossoff picked up right at 49% of the vote both times, in a district where only 35% of the voters identify as Democrats, and walked away with enough money to run again without having to raise any, a "victory" in that his ability to gather that kind of turnout and vote total was clearly a referendum against Trump in a deep red district in a deep red state.

3. Jon's not really interested in actual facts. But some others might be. There is a "Trump effect" at the polls in special elections, and it basically means big gains for Democrats almost all the way across the board.
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Alabama could be interesting. It was an easy state to gerrymander, concentrating the African American population into gerrymandered districts, but this is a statewide election. I would guess one of the GOP "strategies" will be to figure out how to suppress the African American vote, and the growing Latino vote in the state. It's also a "turnout" election on, of all days, December 12. A special election in December traditionally does not draw voters to the polls in large numbers. Jones has some advantages. There is an anti-Moore element in Alabama among some white voters, particularly those who have some intelligence and education. The key will be turning out their base in a December election. They have the money, and will have PAC dollars too, since it's an off year. The DNC has plenty, and will most likely be willing to spend enough to make the GOP have to spend theirs too, and Moore has already spent a fortune. At any rate, it will give a couple of our board members a chance to share their in-state insights.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:54 am

Dave Roberts wrote:From what I can see, the mainstream GOP was hoping they did not have to run Roy Moore because he is seen as such a divisive figure. I don't know Alabama politics, but Moore keeps embarrassing the GOP on the national stage. I can only imagine what he would be like in the US Senate.


Not near as embarrassing as the losing Presidential candidate on her touring the country blaming everyone for her loss.

What is it when a leading Democrat liberal woman calls out and blames all the women who did not vote for Hillary voted against their own voice? I say lunacy.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:28 am

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Dave Roberts wrote:From what I can see, the mainstream GOP was hoping they did not have to run Roy Moore because he is seen as such a divisive figure. I don't know Alabama politics, but Moore keeps embarrassing the GOP on the national stage. I can only imagine what he would be like in the US Senate.


Not near as embarrassing as the losing Presidential candidate on her touring the country blaming everyone for her loss.

What is it when a leading Democrat liberal woman calls out and blames all the women who did not vote for Hillary voted against their own voice? I say lunacy.


I guess that's why her book is setting sales records.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:43 am

Sandy wrote:
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Dave Roberts wrote:From what I can see, the mainstream GOP was hoping they did not have to run Roy Moore because he is seen as such a divisive figure. I don't know Alabama politics, but Moore keeps embarrassing the GOP on the national stage. I can only imagine what he would be like in the US Senate.


Not near as embarrassing as the losing Presidential candidate on her touring the country blaming everyone for her loss.

What is it when a leading Democrat liberal woman calls out and blames all the women who did not vote for Hillary voted against their own voice? I say lunacy.


I guess that's why her book is setting sales records.

Yeah, she has a following and a fan club that agrees that with her excuses. Sad, isn't it.

Even MO blaming women for not being women enough.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:08 pm

Dave Roberts wrote:From what I can see, the mainstream GOP was hoping they did not have to run Roy Moore because he is seen as such a divisive figure. I don't know Alabama politics, but Moore keeps embarrassing the GOP on the national stage. I can only imagine what he would be like in the US Senate.


There is an anti-Moore element among Republicans in Alabama, which the PACs tapped into during the primary. Maybe Keith can provide some insights as to how deep that runs. According to Politico and MSNBC, the anti-Moore vote in the primary came from college educated whites, the handful of minorities who voted Republican, women, and under 35 year olds. When Moore won a statewide race in 2012, on the ballot with Mitt Romney who got 60% of the Alabama vote, he got just a shade over 50%. Strange got 45% of the Republican vote in a low turnout special election primary.

Jones benefits from Republicans who are anti-Moore, and anti-Trump, if they are motivated enough to turn out in a December election. That number alone may well determine the outcome of the election. Moore is divisive enough to motivate a lot of Democrats and independents to actually come out for a mid-December special election, and you can certainly add the Trump divisiveness to that motivation.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:10 pm

Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby JE Pettibone » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:56 pm

Sandy wrote:Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.


Ed: Sandy I admit I have not read H. Clinton's book and have no plans to do so, however I have seen at least a half dozen her interviews regarding the contents and were I a democrat, I would be embarrassed for the Party. She lost because they ran a sloppy campaign..
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby KeithE » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:41 pm

Sandy wrote:There is an anti-Moore element among Republicans in Alabama, which the PACs tapped into during the primary. Maybe Keith can provide some insights as to how deep that runs. According to Politico and MSNBC, the anti-Moore vote in the primary came from college educated whites, the handful of minorities who voted Republican, women, and under 35 year olds. When Moore won a statewide race in 2012, on the ballot with Mitt Romney who got 60% of the Alabama vote, he got just a shade over 50%. Strange got 45% of the Republican vote in a low turnout special election primary.

Jones benefits from Republicans who are anti-Moore, and anti-Trump, if they are motivated enough to turn out in a December election. That number alone may well determine the outcome of the election. Moore is divisive enough to motivate a lot of Democrats and independents to actually come out for a mid-December special election, and you can certainly add the Trump divisiveness to that motivation.


Look at Map and Vote totals for the Moore-Strange runoff at https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/senate-special-election-primary-runoff-alabama?mcubz=0

There were only four counties that voted for Strange (against Moore) - Madison, Jefferson, Shelby, and Sumter. The two most educated counties in Alabama are Madison County (Huntsville) and Shelby County (Birmingham southern suburbs); they went for Strange. Jefferson (Birmingham) and Sumter (in “Black Belt”) are largely black and also went for Strange. So Sandy is right to say

the anti-Moore vote in the primary came from college educated whites, the handful of minorities who voted Republican


BTW, Madison County went for Mo Brooks in the first Rep primary - Brooks lives here and Strange barely outvoted Moore here.

Anecdotal observations: 5 people I know well from Huntsville are white and well-educated and voted for Trump. All five view Trump negatively as a person but are more upset about burdensome government regulations that they hope Trump will take care of. Three are Corp of Engineer managers bothered by building regs, one tax accountant (usually quite progressive and involved in social issues) but upset about the complex tax code, and one (my bridge partner and retired military threat analyst) who just always has voted Republican. But none of them have not been pleased with Trump’s behavior. Madison County has many government workers and many are frustrated by government red tape. I saw that as well in regs concerning DoD proposal evaluations; but more bothered by being told from above who should win a certain contract.

Another anecdote (my daughter’s Father in law who is white, and a great, very hard working audio guy) voted for Trump but has had second thoughts ever since. BTW, he was the audio guy at the recent Trump 1 1/2 hour speech in Huntsville and said they had 7200 people in attendence (the auditorium was only set up for that much) and heard that they turned away about 1000. He said the applause level was “far less” than most concerts he does audio for in Huntsville. Contrast that with the 60,000 attending the Global Citizen Festival in Central Park.

As far as Doug Jones goes - several very good friends are working for the Jones Campaign - I cannot due to the amount of attention my daughter takes (a burden we share with the Lighthalls - that audio guy). Another friend (Linda Meigs) is running against Mo Brooks for his position in the House next year. As I hear more “political” specifics I will report herein.

That’s about all that I can add from a local Alabama viewpoint. Stephen probably understands more of the rural counties.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Thu Sep 28, 2017 3:48 pm

JE Pettibone wrote:
Sandy wrote:Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.


Ed: Sandy I admit I have not read H. Clinton's book and have no plans to do so, however I have seen at least a half dozen her interviews regarding the contents and were I a democrat, I would be embarrassed for the Party. She lost because they ran a sloppy campaign..


She hasn't said the exact word "sloppy," but she has spoken about the mistakes they made in the campaign. And I read the book. I watched her interview with Rachel Maddow, and a good portion of her interview with Joy Reid. I wouldn't say "sloppy" as much as I would say they relied on some outdated conventional wisdom from too far back to be of much use instead of imitating and borrowing from Obama's two highly successful campaigns. The term "ground game" is associated with Obama's campaign for a reason. It worked. He won several of the key states like Ohio, Florida and Virginia with it, in addition to North Carolina and Indiana in 2008. Her campaign really didn't put all of the contacts and strategies to use. She doesn't really even mention it, though. Nor does she speak much of her failure to reference the record economic and job growth during her husband's term, and not using his strategy much, either. Honestly, if she'd done either of those things, the now evident and prevalent Russian interference wouldn't have been enough to make the difference that it did.
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Jim » Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:17 pm

JE Pettibone wrote:
Sandy wrote:Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.


Ed: Sandy I admit I have not read H. Clinton's book and have no plans to do so, however I have seen at least a half dozen her interviews regarding the contents and were I a democrat, I would be embarrassed for the Party. She lost because they ran a sloppy campaign..

Neither have I. Why would anyone read any document by the most highly exposed compulsive liar for decades?
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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:49 pm

JE Pettibone wrote:
Sandy wrote:Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.


Ed: Sandy I admit I have not read H. Clinton's book and have no plans to do so, however I have seen at least a half dozen her interviews regarding the contents and were I a democrat, I would be embarrassed for the Party. She lost because they ran a sloppy campaign..


Clearly and correctly said.

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Look for Know Nothing column in NY Times

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:52 am

or maybe part of the chat on Meet the Press this weekend.

Harold Bloom wrote about the Know Nothings and SBC fundamentalism in 93 in the American Religion. These next few months will be a test of the leadership of the Bama SBC in the wake of the Phoenix alt Right resolution to see if they are struck mute in the face of Roy Moore's Know Nothing fundamentalism.Moore's brand has champions in the megachurches of FBC Gardendale, Church of the Highlands and their 14 campuses which includes Gadsden and my State Senator Phil Williams an ordained FCA SBC minister,and descendants of the Appletons whose cousin Jon is pastor emeritus of FBC Athens Ga with ties to the SEC.

So here we go.

Also see Nick Saban's statement on Trump SOB Statement at Saturdays Down South.

Does Alabama understand the Republican legacy of Judge Frank Johnson or are we as STeve Bannon says a bunch of rubes whose people of color dont count unless they are an event. See Kanye West

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Sandy and Clinton

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:55 am

Hillary Clinton was Lincolnesque on NPR Fresh Air Monday week ago when in the second segment she described the Devils Bargain, the Dark Money Cabal that put trump in Office. Sandy, you and Trey Gowdy and FBC Spartanburg can take it or leave it, but them's the apples of the soul molesting you and Trey Gowdy and Frank Gowdy were complicitous in this last election.

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An Alabama native Testifies about Know Nothing Moore

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:00 am

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Re: Senator Roy Moore?

Postby Sandy » Fri Sep 29, 2017 12:33 pm

Jon Estes wrote:
JE Pettibone wrote:
Sandy wrote:Aside from Clinton not being the topic here, it's clear that Jon has neither read her book, or paid attention to any of her interviews. His perception is dead wrong.


Ed: Sandy I admit I have not read H. Clinton's book and have no plans to do so, however I have seen at least a half dozen her interviews regarding the contents and were I a democrat, I would be embarrassed for the Party. She lost because they ran a sloppy campaign..


Clearly and correctly said.

Go Ed...

So you haven't read it either. Typical and predictable. Unless you can point to something specific that she said that would be "embarassing" to the party, or anything that she said, period, your chatter is just ignorant babble.
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Re: Sandy and Clinton

Postby Haruo » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:38 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:Hillary Clinton was Lincolnesque on NPR Fresh Air Monday week ago when in the second segment she described the Devils Bargain, the Dark Money Cabal that put trump in Office. Sandy, you and Trey Gowdy and FBC Spartanburg can take it or leave it, but them's the apples of the soul molesting you and Trey Gowdy and Frank Gowdy were complicitous in this last election.

I stand with Nick Saban, Carlyle Marney and Judge Frank Johnson

So you're saying Sandy colluded with Trey Gowdy and your old church to molest souls?
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