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Joe Arpaio

Postby KeithE » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:42 pm

Before you get too comfortable about the pardon, please read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversies

Joe had many other charges against him than just racial profiling and ignoring a court order, including

Unconstitutional jail conditions (rotten food)
Improper clearance of Maricopa County Sheriff's Office cases
Failure to investigate 400 reported sex crimes
Many Feuds with judges and County Supervisors
11 Cases of Abuse of Power
Election law violation
Misuse of funds ($100M ove 5 years)
A Staged Assassination Plot in 1999
and more.

Read details in link above.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Haruo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:07 am

But hey, he hates illegal immigrants and (what's even more important) likes and admires Trump, so hey, he can't be a criminal.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby William Thornton » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:05 am

For perspective, we might revisit some of the Clinton pardons.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby KeithE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:34 am

William Thornton wrote:For perspective, we might revisit some of the Clinton pardons.

Then why don’t you do so!
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Haruo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:46 am

Okay, shoot. Here is a partial list of Clinton pardons. Are there any particular examples you wanted us to ponder?

I find the Vallandigham case from the first Lincoln presidency particularly bemusing, because the pardonee was immediately deported to the Confederacy (he had been convicted of criminal opposition to the war effort), which sounds to me a bit like if a US citizen were pardoned by Trump for felonious Muslim-loving and immediately deported to the Iraq-Syria border. In any case, Vallandigham immediately ran off (from the Confederacy) to Canada, whence he ran in absentia for office in Ohio, unsuccessfully.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Dave Roberts » Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:40 am

Well, by pardoning Arpaio, , Trump acknowledged his guilt. You only pardon those who have been convicted of a crime, so Trump declared by the pardon that Joe is a criminal.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Haruo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 12:21 pm

Dave Roberts wrote:Well, by pardoning Arpaio, , Trump acknowledged his guilt. You only pardon those who have been convicted of a crime, so Trump declared by the pardon that Joe is a criminal.

Yes, but that's true of any pardon, and all presidents pardon criminals; thus far, with this his first pardon, Trump is on a per diem basis probably the least forgiving president in US history.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby William Thornton » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:46 pm

Marc Rich comes to mind

On January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, U.S. President Bill Clinton granted Rich a highly controversial presidential pardon. Several of Clinton's strongest supporters distanced themselves from the decision.[23] Former President Jimmy Carter, a fellow Democrat, said, "I don't think there is any doubt that some of the factors in his pardon were attributable to his large gifts. In my opinion, that was disgraceful."[24] Clinton himself later expressed regret for issuing the pardon, saying that "it wasn't worth the damage to my reputation."[9]

Clinton's critics alleged that Rich's pardon had been bought, as Denise Rich had given more than $1 million[25] to Clinton's political party (the Democratic Party), including more than $100,000 to the Senate campaign of the president's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and $450,000 to the Clinton Library foundation during Clinton's time in office.[21]
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Haruo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:35 pm

Marc Rich apparently made no impact on my memory banks, I had to go look through the list I posted to find him and then read his Wikipedia article to get an idea of the case. I agree that he was an undeserving recipient of the pardon (aren't we all?), but I'm not sure how to compare his crimes, which mostly seem to be high-finance tax evasion type offenses, with Arpaio's, which directly killed "little people" from what I've read, though what he was pardoned for were misdemeanors mainly related to disobeying court orders. Looks like comparing hot Thai peppers to large watermelons to me.

It's sadly amusing that Clinton repented of the pardon, but only because of the damage it had done his reputation. Not sure Trump will come around to even that level of repentance, we'll see.
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby William Thornton » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:16 pm

Chelsea Manning?
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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Dave Roberts » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:46 pm

I'm intrigued by something. Conservatives seem bent on avoiding discussing the issues of most anything. Instead of discussing whether Trump was right, the effort is always, "Look at what Obama, Clinton, or Carter did." We all know that others have made mistakes, but the constant effort to deflect is getting tiresome.
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Another Low Life Sheriff

Postby KeithE » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:51 pm

Trump took his time to promote David Clarke and his book during the hurricane.

A great book by a great guy, highly recommended!.

Just a few of Clarke’s actions:

A county audit released in 2012 showed that the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office used asset forfeiture funds to buy exercise equipment for Clarke's command staff, for a Disney training, and for a mounted patrol unit. The audit reported that the spending violated county procurement rules, although not federal rules on the use of seized money. Clarke was criticized for the amount of money spent on the mounted patrol by County Supervisor Patricia Jursik; Clarke defended the office's use of the funds.[45]


Clarke has been repeatedly accused of abusing detainees at the county jail.[47] Following the deaths of four inmates at the jail in six months, the U.S. Department of Justice launched an investigation of the jail.[47] Milwaukee County chief medical examiner Brian Peterson accused Clarke of verbally harassing and threatening him in an October 2016 telephone conversation after Peterson's office made the mysterious deaths of two inmates at the jail earlier that year public.[47][48] According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Clarke also attracted attention for temper-related incidents: "He once berated a 911 dispatcher for not being professional, threatened to arrest the new House of Correction chief and called a sergeant a 'terrorist' and 'cancer' in a two-hour, expletive-filled rant".[48]


The Milwaukee County Jail turned the water off to inmate Terrill Thomas' cell, resulting in his death by dehydration on April 24, 2016. According to inmates, the water was turned off for six days and the staff refused to provide water to Thomas. On September 15, 2016, the Milwaukee medical examiner ruled Thomas's death a homicide.[49] Later that day Clarke's office sent out a press release which stated it would be "withholding employee internal investigations and will not be commenting on this matter until the completion of all [sic] investigative and review processes, and any resultant civil litigation."[50][51] Asked about the lawsuit in March 2017, Clarke said that he had no comment on the lawsuit but noted Thomas' criminal background.[52]

In May 2017, after hearing six days of testimony at an inquest, a Milwaukee County jury found probable cause that seven jail employees (two supervisors, five officers) had committed a crime—specifically, abuse of a resident of a penal facility—and recommended that charges be brought.[53]


In February 2017, a Detroit-area man, Dan Black, filed a harassment lawsuit against Clarke after Milwaukee deputies detained the man at the Milwaukee airport in January. The man had asked Clarke about his football team preference and shook his head at Clarke.[62] On the tarmac, Clarke sent text messages to one of his captains, Mark Witek, directing sheriffs' deputies to detain Black. Clarke wrote: "Question for him is why he said anything to me. Why didn't he just keep his mouth shut? Follow him to baggage and out the door. You can escort me to carousel after I point him out."[63] After arriving at the airport, Black was "met by a group of six uniformed deputies and two dogs, all of whom were accompanied by the sheriff" who questioned him before releasing him.[62] Airport surveillance video showed Black telling deputies: "He [Clarke] thinks because I asked who he is, he can exert that kind of power over me."[64] Local media reported that "at least one of the deputies who was ordered to confront Black didn't believe he had been disruptive."[64]


In a January 2017 poll conducted by Public Policy Polling, which surveyed Milwaukee County voters, 31% approved of the job Clarke was doing, compared to 62% who disapproved. In the same poll, 65% said they believed Clarke had a negative impact on the image of Milwaukee County, and among registered Democrats, 13% said they would vote for Clarke in a hypothetical Democratic primary, compared to 82% who would prefer another candidate.[66]


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Re: Joe Arpaio

Postby Haruo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:19 pm

I know it's a gross oversimplification, but it still amazes me to think that so many people who were worried about loss of jobs would support a presidential candidate whose most famous words to date were (over and over again) "You're fired!"
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