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Postby Jon Estes » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:27 am

What Trump should say to the world. It ought to be more than acceptable to those who lean to the left.

With all due respect, the fact is we have no dead Americans. Is the uproar over Russia because of a meeting or was it because of guy sends out an email inviting my son to a meeting with a Russian or some college students who went out for a walk one night and decided that they’d they go start fires or break out windows of some American businesses? What difference at this point does it make?


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Postby Jim » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:23 am

You're right...only laughter is invoked these days. The liberal nose is out of joint now because Trump reckons that the military would profit by not getting stuck with sex-changes for its members, who in process might have hormonal relapses or gone-wrong surgeries (maybe infections installing vaginas in men who would rather be women) requiring their absence from the wars here and there. Recruiting nightmare...folks joining up for free sex-changes. Egad!

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The prexy ruled transgenders be
Recruited militarily
Because correct diversity
Means even monkeys must be free
From stigma whether he or she
As per one's sex-reality
And not to what apparently
Was Nature's way...mistakenly?

And so a he who is a she
Reports to boot-camp grudgingly
And finds her clothes are dungaree
As if she is another he;
She gives her name as Mary Lee
And finds her skivvies not panty
But boxer-shorts unwittingly
Thrown in her arms in great, good glee.

Then off to barracks—hup-two-three—
And to the restroom speedily
Only to find disgustingly
Those urinals...oh my, oh me,
And grown men standing easily
Before them, maybe two or three,
Exposed...oh yes...genitally...
Oh dear! Such trauma to a she.

The drill sergeant, no wit had he,
Had not seen femininity
And had not seen her purse to be
A sign that she was not a he;
Thus later off to Barracks B,
Where female GIs all would be
Exposed to her, a fellow she,
And giggle...yeah...in great, good glee.
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Re: Enjoy

Postby Haruo » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:36 am

The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care.
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Postby KeithE » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:15 pm

Haruo wrote:The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care.


Just to backup Haruos’s claim (probably he read this):

US military blows millions a year on Viagra for its troops

The US military blows $41.6 million a year on Viagra for its troops — about five times more than the estimated medical costs for transgender servicepeople, according to a new report.

Spending on the little blue pills is part of $84 million total the military plunks down annually for erectile dysfunction medicines, according to the Washington Post, which cited a 2015 report by the Military Times.

A study published last year by the Rand Corp. and commissioned by the Defense Department estimated that treatments for transgender troops would run the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually, the Washington Post reported.


And what military purpose does all this ED treatment provide? Recent Stats on Military rape.

At least transgenders are providing military service.

A 2011 report found that women in the U.S. military are more likely to be raped by fellow soldiers than they are to be killed in combat.[1] At least 25% of U.S. military women have been sexually assaulted, and up to 80% have been sexually harassed.[2]
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Postby Dave Roberts » Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:32 pm

This is not to support Trump's transgender announcement, but one of the frequent side effects of PTSD is ED. That may not be a legitimate concern or may be largely irrelevant in the argument.
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Postby Jim » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:29 pm

Haruo wrote:The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care.

So what! Both practices are the results of profound stupidity heaped on the government at the behest of Obama (don't forget), COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, who, leading from behind, invited homosexuals back into the military and declared that women would now be Navy SEALS. The utter failure of his supposed legacy (ACA) has been supplanted by his obsession with perversion, even to the encouraging of man-marry-man...whee! It's this stupidity of turning the military (and the nation) into a lab for weird social experiments in order to satisfy DIVERSITY, the god of secular America, never mind that the word itself means divergence discovered, not fuzzy togetherness (warm hugs all around). Hopefully, Trump, in all his insensitivity, boorishness, braggadocio, and narcissism, will at least do some reverses vis-a-vis the military, all that stands between us and little Un or some butchering ayatollah in Iran...or maybe San Francisco. Can somebody enlighten me as to how a person, using all DATA possible, can be clinically proven to be transgender when his/her birth-certificate, not to mention physical accoutrements easily recognized, specifically remarks the gender. There are con-games, and then there are CON-Games.
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Re: Enjoy

Postby JE Pettibone » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:21 pm

Ed: Keep up the good work Jim. :wink:
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Re: Enjoy

Postby Dave Roberts » Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:15 am

Jim wrote:
Haruo wrote:The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care.

So what! Both practices are the results of profound stupidity heaped on the government at the behest of Obama (don't forget), COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, who, leading from behind, invited homosexuals back into the military and declared that women would now be Navy SEALS. The utter failure of his supposed legacy (ACA) has been supplanted by his obsession with perversion, even to the encouraging of man-marry-man...whee! It's this stupidity of turning the military (and the nation) into a lab for weird social experiments in order to satisfy DIVERSITY, the god of secular America, never mind that the word itself means divergence discovered, not fuzzy togetherness (warm hugs all around). Hopefully, Trump, in all his insensitivity, boorishness, braggadocio, and narcissism, will at least do some reverses vis-a-vis the military, all that stands between us and little Un or some butchering ayatollah in Iran...or maybe San Francisco. Can somebody enlighten me as to how a person, using all DATA possible, can be clinically proven to be transgender when his/her birth-certificate, not to mention physical accoutrements easily recognized, specifically remarks the gender. There are con-games, and then there are CON-Games.


So, Jim, if I read you correctly, soldiers with PTSD that results in ED should not get treated by the government even though their problem stems from war related injury. Is that what you mean?
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Postby JE Pettibone » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:23 pm

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Jim wrote:
Haruo wrote:The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care.

So what! Both practices are the results of profound stupidity heaped on the government at the behest of Obama (don't forget), COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, who, leading from behind, invited homosexuals back into the military and declared that women would now be Navy SEALS. The utter failure of his supposed legacy (ACA) has been supplanted by his obsession with perversion, even to the encouraging of man-marry-man...whee! It's this stupidity of turning the military (and the nation) into a lab for weird social experiments in order to satisfy DIVERSITY, the god of secular America, never mind that the word itself means divergence discovered, not fuzzy togetherness (warm hugs all around). Hopefully, Trump, in all his insensitivity, boorishness, braggadocio, and narcissism, will at least do some reverses vis-a-vis the military, all that stands between us and little Un or some butchering ayatollah in Iran...or maybe San Francisco. Can somebody enlighten me as to how a person, using all DATA possible, can be clinically proven to be transgender when his/her birth-certificate, not to mention physical accoutrements easily recognized, specifically remarks the gender. There are con-games, and then there are CON-Games.


So, Jim, if I read you correctly, soldiers with PTSD that results in ED should not get treated by the government even though their problem stems from war related injury. Is that what you mean?


Ed: Dave where did Jim suggest that "soldiers with PTSD that results in ED should not get treated by the government" ?

And Huaro what is your source for the expenditure for viagra? You said "The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care." DId you mean "ARMY" or military, maybe the Veterans Administration?
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Postby KeithE » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:57 pm

JE Pettibone wrote:
Dave Roberts wrote:
Haruo wrote:The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care.


Jim replied:
So what! Both practices are the results of profound stupidity heaped on the government at the behest of Obama (don't forget), COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, who, leading from behind, invited homosexuals back into the military and declared that women would now be Navy SEALS. The utter failure of his supposed legacy (ACA) has been supplanted by his obsession with perversion, even to the encouraging of man-marry-man...whee! It's this stupidity of turning the military (and the nation) into a lab for weird social experiments in order to satisfy DIVERSITY, the god of secular America, never mind that the word itself means divergence discovered, not fuzzy togetherness (warm hugs all around). Hopefully, Trump, in all his insensitivity, boorishness, braggadocio, and narcissism, will at least do some reverses vis-a-vis the military, all that stands between us and little Un or some butchering ayatollah in Iran...or maybe San Francisco. Can somebody enlighten me as to how a person, using all DATA possible, can be clinically proven to be transgender when his/her birth-certificate, not to mention physical accoutrements easily recognized, specifically remarks the gender. There are con-games, and then there are CON-Games.



So, Jim, if I read you correctly, soldiers with PTSD that results in ED should not get treated by the government even though their problem stems from war related injury. Is that what you mean?


Ed: Dave where did Jim suggest that "soldiers with PTSD that results in ED should not get treated by the government" ?

And Huaro what is your source for the expenditure for viagra? You said "The US Army spends way more on Viagra than it does on gender-reassignment-related medical care." DId you mean "ARMY" or military, maybe the Veterans Administration?


Don’t know where Huaro’s (sic) source is, but one day before his post on July 27, the NY Post came out with this story as I pointed out in this Post which quotes the this Military Times story as the source ($84M in 2014).

Dave makes a good point that the ED expenditures could be due to PTSD induced ED.

This topic started by Jon has been hijacked. Jon seems to think the Russian investigation is nothing important since no one is suggesting that anyone has died due to Possible Trump/Russian collusion (or is it innocent future planning). Does he know that the US has killed an estimated 20M since WWII in ill-conceived and badly implemented wars.

US Has Killed More Than 20 Million People in 37 “Victim Nations” Since World War II
Details for all 37 nations given in the article. Some deaths perhaps warranted but not were not. Most people killed have been non-combatants.
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Re: Enjoy

Postby Dave Roberts » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:00 pm

The information on Viagra and other ED treatments comes from CBS News:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/

Jim's position taken above seems to say that ED treatment should not be a government function. I'm trying to get him to clarify what he meant.
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Postby Jim » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:32 pm

Dave Roberts wrote:The information on Viagra and other ED treatments comes from CBS News:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/

Jim's position taken above seems to say that ED treatment should not be a government function. I'm trying to get him to clarify what he meant.

For starters – I just checked again – I did not mention either ED or PTSD. Actually, you took me by surprise and I thought maybe you meant ED to stand for Evangelical Dementia, but then that seems to be in another thread. You also caught me by surprise in implying that ED-treatment should be a government function. It seems to be more a personal thing and I can't imagine how a government could treat itself for anything, anyway, even with antibiotics.
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Postby Dave Roberts » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:49 am

Jim wrote:
Dave Roberts wrote:The information on Viagra and other ED treatments comes from CBS News:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/

Jim's position taken above seems to say that ED treatment should not be a government function. I'm trying to get him to clarify what he meant.

For starters – I just checked again – I did not mention either ED or PTSD. Actually, you took me by surprise and I thought maybe you meant ED to stand for Evangelical Dementia, but then that seems to be in another thread. You also caught me by surprise in implying that ED-treatment should be a government function. It seems to be more a personal thing and I can't imagine how a government could treat itself for anything, anyway, even with antibiotics.


Jim, I love the way you can obfuscate when you don't want to answer a simple question: "Should military and veterans medical service provide Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs for military members and veterans who suffer from this disability due to PTSD?" You still haven't answered my question.
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Postby Jim » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:15 am

Dave Roberts wrote:
Jim wrote:
Dave Roberts wrote:The information on Viagra and other ED treatments comes from CBS News:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pentagon-spends-a-lot-of-money-on-viagra/

Jim's position taken above seems to say that ED treatment should not be a government function. I'm trying to get him to clarify what he meant.

For starters – I just checked again – I did not mention either ED or PTSD. Actually, you took me by surprise and I thought maybe you meant ED to stand for Evangelical Dementia, but then that seems to be in another thread. You also caught me by surprise in implying that ED-treatment should be a government function. It seems to be more a personal thing and I can't imagine how a government could treat itself for anything, anyway, even with antibiotics.


Jim, I love the way you can obfuscate when you don't want to answer a simple question: "Should military and veterans medical service provide Viagra and other erectile dysfunction drugs for military members and veterans who suffer from this disability due to PTSD?" You still haven't answered my question.

I love it when other people love anything I do, especially obfuscation and more especially when they have discovered how to determine when I don't want to do anything, particularly answering simple questions. I will capitalize so you can't possibly miss it or get someone to help you understand: I BELIEVE VETS SHOULD BE TREATED FOR ANY CONDITION THE VA OR OTHER SERVICE-RELATED MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT CONSIDERS AN ADVERSE RESULT OF ANY MILITARY ACTION ANYWHERE, EVEN HANG-NAILS AS POSSIBLY THE RESULTS OF JAMMED TRIGGER-FINGERS. Now...is that plain enough? After all, the military, until Trump stopped it, was being made responsible for the castration and other procedures concerning any male wishing to somehow become a woman when Nature simply has not understood this mammoth gene/chromosome-miscarriage and made him a woman in the first place...sorta like God fouling things up in establishing two wildly dissimilar genders without a thought about how insensitive that was. One can only wonder at how the government would have to set up a freeze-unit to store the body parts of the affected transgenders at crunch-time so they could be excised /attached, etc., to those in process...a sort of genitalia warehouse.
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Re: Enjoy

Postby Jon Estes » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:44 am

Where does the gender identity end and the cost to accommodate any person who wants to be recognized as a specific gender begin?

FB lists 58 genders,, as listed by ABC...

The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit

Do we have to support and help surgically conform any and all humans who identify as something other than the gender they were born with?

Pandora's evil box is being opened
...
http://theweek.com/articles/552648/meet-peoplewho-dont-identify-human


Or do those here who want to support transgender operations paid for by taxpayer dollars... have their boundaries also?
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Re: Enjoy

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:04 pm

I don't mean this in any way pruriently, but what do the asterisks on the various Trans options refer to? And why do only the Trans have those choices? Why no Cis* ?
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Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:06 pm

So Jon, do you know anybody (reasonably well; relative, or friend, or parishioner) who self-identifies as any of these other than Male and Female? Which, I note, seem to be missing from ABC's list.
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Postby Jon Estes » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:14 am

Haruo wrote:So Jon, do you know anybody (reasonably well; relative, or friend, or parishioner) who self-identifies as any of these other than Male and Female? Which, I note, seem to be missing from ABC's list.


Doesn't matter. Point is, if a soldier says they are of the gender of anything stupid, the precedence wanted is to allow it... accept it... pay with tax payer dollars to accommodate it.
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Postby Haruo » Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:51 pm

Which will markedly decrease the motivation to self-identify as something stupid. You never watched M*A*S*H?
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Haruo wrote:Which will markedly decrease the motivation to self-identify as something stupid. You never watched M*A*S*H?


It's not clear to me what sort of taxpayer costs would be involved with what sorts of accommodations.
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Postby Sandy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:38 pm

With Jon, money is always the bottom line, and particularly, what it is going to cost him. It's never about anything else, and it is always in a selfish context, basically, what he doesn't like, and what he doesn't want to pay for.
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Postby Jon Estes » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:57 am

Sandy wrote:With Jon, money is always the bottom line, and particularly, what it is going to cost him. It's never about anything else, and it is always in a selfish context, basically, what he doesn't like, and what he doesn't want to pay for.


The cost is a part of the equation. I guess I would rather be concerned about the cost than sit back and say... pay my way...pay my way... as you want to happen.

That I am wiling to do with less and pay my own way (be personally responsible) than you says a lot. Criticize my concern... if you must. Keep cheering for the free ride of others... as you have been. Let's not work to get them out of poverty but find ways to keep them in. A typical left agenda - it keeps the votes coming in the left blowing direction. You probably are also convinced these winds are warm due to climate change.

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Postby Sandy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:30 pm

Nah, Jon, with you money is control. You're "conservative" in that the bottom line is money, but you're ok with being less conservative if you can use the money to direct the actions and thoughts of others.

Jon Estes wrote:That I am wiling to do with less and pay my own way (be personally responsible) than you says a lot.


Yes, you're right about that. It does say a lot. One of the things it says is that you really have no idea what it would cost you to "pay your own way" without being the beneficiary of tax dollars. Perhaps your income and cost of living as an expatriate American in Dubai puts you in a category beyond most of us, who basically live from paycheck to paycheck. You can talk about others "free rides" or the standard and provably wrong statement about "keeping them in poverty," but the fact of the matter is those things are a very small percentage of the benefits of your tax dollars. As I said, I can't speak for your income, but there are a lot of things that an average American, middle income family could not afford if it were not for the tax structure and distribution being as it is. Education wouldn't be affordable. If you had to pay for yours, or your kids, out of your pocket, the average for public school is $13,000 per year per kid. Your individual share of the cost of driving on roads and using the infrastructure comes out to about $18,000 a year. We already know that an unsubsidized insurance policy for a reasonably healthy person runs $8,000 per year, times the number of family members. It would be hard to calculate the cost of providing military protection to each American, though if you divide the defense budget by the population, you can add another $35,000 per person to the cost of receiving a benefit provided by taxes. The difference between what you pay in, and what you will get out of Social Security and Medicare over a lifetime is about double the total amount you pay in. So if you are the proverbial middle class family of four, and you wanted to "pay your own way," and to "be responsible," you'd need about $110,000 more in income to pay for the benefits you receive.
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Postby KeithE » Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:18 pm

Sandy wrote:Nah, Jon, with you money is control. You're "conservative" in that the bottom line is money, but you're ok with being less conservative if you can use the money to direct the actions and thoughts of others.

Jon Estes wrote:That I am wiling to do with less and pay my own way (be personally responsible) than you says a lot.


Yes, you're right about that. It does say a lot. One of the things it says is that you really have no idea what it would cost you to "pay your own way" without being the beneficiary of tax dollars. Perhaps your income and cost of living as an expatriate American in Dubai puts you in a category beyond most of us, who basically live from paycheck to paycheck. You can talk about others "free rides" or the standard and provably wrong statement about "keeping them in poverty," but the fact of the matter is those things are a very small percentage of the benefits of your tax dollars. As I said, I can't speak for your income, but there are a lot of things that an average American, middle income family could not afford if it were not for the tax structure and distribution being as it is. Education wouldn't be affordable. If you had to pay for yours, or your kids, out of your pocket, the average for public school is $13,000 per year per kid. Your individual share of the cost of driving on roads and using the infrastructure comes out to about $18,000 a year. We already know that an unsubsidized insurance policy for a reasonably healthy person runs $8,000 per year, times the number of family members. It would be hard to calculate the cost of providing military protection to each American, though if you divide the defense budget by the population, you can add another $35,000 per person to the cost of receiving a benefit provided by taxes. The difference between what you pay in, and what you will get out of Social Security and Medicare over a lifetime is about double the total amount you pay in. So if you are the proverbial middle class family of four, and you wanted to "pay your own way," and to "be responsible," you'd need about $110,000 more in income to pay for the benefits you receive.


The number of things many tax complainers take for granted is truly astounding.

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Postby Haruo » Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:55 pm

Like when the government steals MY money so they overpay some moocher in the fire department to come out and put OUT the fire in my welfare-bum next-door neighbor's house.
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