Soft Form of Obstruction of Justice

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Soft Form of Obstruction of Justice

Postby KeithE » Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:11 pm

It is now obvious that Donald Trump is guilty of a soft form of trying to influence an investigation. Harder forms would be destroying evidence or silencing those he could or even killing people who know too much. I do not know what the legal definition of Obstruction of Justice is but it is appalling that our President is doing soft versions of it.

It is at this point equivalent to what Nixon did that caused him to resign. We will have no such luck with Trump.

The underlying crimes of colluding with a foreign power to influence our election is still being investigated.

What is clear is that Trump shows no interest in getting to the bottom of the Russian meddling as you would think any US President would be harping on in every speech he makes.

All of the above is undeniable. One may like Trump's policies and hope that he survives, but as an American we all should demand the investigation of who is involved and how it can be mitigated in the future.
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Re: Soft Form of Obstruction of Justice

Postby Tim Bonney » Fri Jun 09, 2017 9:06 am

I think the President was obviously trying to effect the outcome of the investigation. The GOP is putting too much emphasis on the single word "hope" as if that gets him off the hook for pulling Comey into a private meeting and then encouraging him to drop the investigation. They are grasping at straws.
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Re: Soft Form of Obstruction of Justice

Postby Jim » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:43 pm

KeithE wrote:It is now obvious that Donald Trump is guilty of a soft form of trying to influence an investigation. Harder forms would be destroying evidence or silencing those he could or even killing people who know too much. I do not know what the legal definition of Obstruction of Justice is but it is appalling that our President is doing soft versions of it.

It is at this point equivalent to what Nixon did that caused him to resign. We will have no such luck with Trump.

The underlying crimes of colluding with a foreign power to influence our election is still being investigated.

What is clear is that Trump shows no interest in getting to the bottom of the Russian meddling as you would think any US President would be harping on in every speech he makes.

All of the above is undeniable. One may like Trump's policies and hope that he survives, but as an American we all should demand the investigation of who is involved and how it can be mitigated in the future.

I watched all the “hearing,” such as it was. Actually, it was Comey’s narcissistic effort (He invited himself to the hearing, was not requested or subpoenaed) for the purpose of vindicating his actions, some of which he characterized strangely for an FBI director to a female senator as weak or cowardly. He gave the whole game away when he described in detail why he LEAKED his now-famous (or infamous) memo, for which he had no corroboration or legal proof as its author (could have been written and dated, if at all, any time anywhere) to a “professor-friend” (coincidentally a lawyer) describing one side of a conversation as in his favor for distribution to friendly media. This leads logically to the question of how many other “leaks” he perpetrated as a government official. Caveat: Trump has his own brand of narcissism. In attempting to paint the president as a liar—without any proof—Comey demeaned himself even if Trump may be a liar. The truth probably never will be known. Comey also made both Hillary and former AG Lynch look like very bad girls or at least way out of their depth. The one thing to take away from everything happening in Washington is that the democrats have only one item on their agenda, namely, take down Donald Trump, even as the Obamacare they rammed onto the public through a Senate technicality on Christmas Eve midnight in 2010 is going down in flames. Their hope that they will through total obstruction cause a voter-revolt next year will backfire as voters, especially independents, see through their subterfuge. Senate republicans might do away with the un-Constitutional cloture rule, as they did for the approval of the SCOTUS justice, but don’t count on it…too risky for reelection purposes. So…gridlock continues.
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Re: Soft Form of Obstruction of Justice

Postby William Thornton » Fri Jun 09, 2017 1:59 pm

Losers on this mess:

Comey; his high water mark was before he released his opening statement. Now he is diminished by the leak, his failure to notify anyone, his failure to resign or offer to resign.
MSM: What? Those anonymous sources were false, sayeth Comey.
Loretta Lynch: Political hack is she?
Clintons: See above.
Trump: It cannot be a good day when your spokesfemale has to answer a question about lying.
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Re: Soft Form of Obstruction of Justice

Postby Sandy » Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:20 pm

Comey's intention, with the "leak", was to put a trigger in place to generate an independent counsel. I'm not sure that wouldn't have been done anyway, eventually, with the evidence trails solidly establishing the involvement of at least five of Trump's campaign associates. But it did get that accomplished, and there's some question as to the status of the leak, considering he was a private citizen at the time, not the FBI director. It's not relevant to the investigation, nor a factor in the evidence for obstruction of justice.

His weakest moment, from my perspective, was his response to Senator Feinstein's question about why he didn't speak up. Admittedly, that's a tough one, which I can't imagine because I've never sat in front of the President of the United States, with my job in his hands while he was asking for my loyalty, and asking for an illegal favor at the same time. That's a life changing moment, regardless of what your answer might be.

For Comey, the whole election cycle was a lose-lose proposition. He was certainly under pressure from Republicans to find something they could use in the campaign, and when he didn't produce it, they railed on him. So he went to congress and gave them some words of comfort, though he couldn't or wouldn't alter the report that exonerated Clinton. And if you want a real contrast in integrity, with all of that swirling around Hillary during the campaign, President Obama, who could have fired him, didn't. There are many stark contrasts between the integrity of President Obama, and the corruption of Trump, and this is one of them.
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