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Rachel Maddow Show

Postby KeithE » Thu May 11, 2017 9:03 am

I want to second Sandy’s mention of the Rachel Maddow show yesterday May 10, 2017: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show.

You simply must listen to all of this to be informed. It provides many detailed news items about the Russian Ties to the Trump Campaign/Presidency and the Comey firing - too much to repeat herein. Especially important is news about Anthony McCabe (the new acting FBI Director) and the multiply attested story (NYT, WSJ, WP, 4 European intel sources) that there were multiple and repeated contacts with Russian Intel and other officials during the campaign right as it was established that the Russians were hacking DNC servers. But listen to all of it - if you want to be informed.

This will rotate off but the last few days of Rachel’s show can be found at the website above (click on “full episodes”).
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Jim » Thu May 11, 2017 9:42 am

KeithE wrote:I want to second Sandy’s mention of the Rachel Maddow show yesterday May 10, 2017: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show.

You simply must listen to all of this to be informed. It provides many detailed news items about the Russian Ties to the Trump Campaign/Presidency and the Comey firing - too much to repeat herein. Especially important is news about Anthony McCabe (the new acting FBI Director) and the multiply attested story (NYT< WSJ, WP, 4 European intel sources) that there were multiple and repeated contacts with Russian Intel and other officials during the campaign right as it was established that the Russians were hacking DNC servers. But listen to all of it - if you want to be informed.

This will rotate off but the last few days of Rachel can be found at [url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show#!#full-episodes]Last three days of episodes[/url].

Is this the gal who did about a 20-30 minute melodrama the other evening (fanfare stuff with flags waving) to celebrate her DISCOVERY of Trump's 2005 tax returns that made other comparable biggies in or aspiring to guv positions look like small change accruing to the outrageous millions he paid in taxes, far more than they? If so, you need help immediately.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby KeithE » Thu May 11, 2017 9:44 am

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KeithE wrote:I want to second Sandy’s mention of the Rachel Maddow show yesterday May 10, 2017: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show.

You simply must listen to all of this to be informed. It provides many detailed news items about the Russian Ties to the Trump Campaign/Presidency and the Comey firing - too much to repeat herein. Especially important is news about Anthony McCabe (the new acting FBI Director) and the multiply attested story (NYT< WSJ, WP, 4 European intel sources) that there were multiple and repeated contacts with Russian Intel and other officials during the campaign right as it was established that the Russians were hacking DNC servers. But listen to all of it - if you want to be informed.

This will rotate off but the last few days of Rachel can be found at [url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show#!#full-episodes]Last three days of episodes[/url].

Is this the gal who did about a 20-30 minute melodrama the other evening (fanfare stuff with flags waving) to celebrate her DISCOVERY of Trump's 2005 tax returns that made other comparable biggies in or aspiring to guv positions look like small change accruing to the outrageous millions he paid in taxes, far more than they? If so, you need help immediately.

I did not think you wanted to be informed.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby JE Pettibone » Thu May 11, 2017 10:51 am

Ed: Nor does it look like you are willing to consider views other than your own. Speaking of rights, folk on your right do have the same as yourself. And as a moderator a bit of restrain on your part might help increase participation on this site .
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Jon Estes » Thu May 11, 2017 11:34 am

KeithE wrote:
Jim wrote:
KeithE wrote:I want to second Sandy’s mention of the Rachel Maddow show yesterday May 10, 2017: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show.

You simply must listen to all of this to be informed. It provides many detailed news items about the Russian Ties to the Trump Campaign/Presidency and the Comey firing - too much to repeat herein. Especially important is news about Anthony McCabe (the new acting FBI Director) and the multiply attested story (NYT< WSJ, WP, 4 European intel sources) that there were multiple and repeated contacts with Russian Intel and other officials during the campaign right as it was established that the Russians were hacking DNC servers. But listen to all of it - if you want to be informed.

This will rotate off but the last few days of Rachel can be found at [url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show#!#full-episodes]Last three days of episodes[/url].

Is this the gal who did about a 20-30 minute melodrama the other evening (fanfare stuff with flags waving) to celebrate her DISCOVERY of Trump's 2005 tax returns that made other comparable biggies in or aspiring to guv positions look like small change accruing to the outrageous millions he paid in taxes, far more than they? If so, you need help immediately.

I did not think you wanted to be informed.


Maddow is more of a sensationalist than Geraldo.

She went spastic on Trump paying 38 Million in taxes acting as if he didn't pay any taxes.

Out of balance and unfair, she is.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Haruo » Thu May 11, 2017 1:27 pm

Maddow's delivery is sometimes a bit sensationalistic, but her indictment of McCabe is fascinating.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Sandy » Thu May 11, 2017 6:33 pm

Watch both of the presentations. Do your own homework. Find one fact, one statement, one comment, that she does not substantiate with a legitimate, factual source. Yeah, her delivery is different, but she's a journalist with a program that competes with commentators. But the old style of sitting behind a desk reading news bytes doesn't work on a cable news network that is on 24-7. She specializes in specific news themes, and the bottom line is, she gets it right. And she has credibility. So go ahead. Do the research, and that means actual research and not just a citation from an extremist right wing commentator who isn't dealing in facts. See if there's anything there that's not accurate.

But I think you're right Keith. Jim and Jon aren't interested in facts and don't want to be informed. That would require thought and change, and I don't think they're interested.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby JE Pettibone » Fri May 12, 2017 10:30 am

Sandy wrote:Watch both of the presentations. Do your own homework. Find one fact, one statement, one comment, that she does not substantiate with a legitimate, factual source. Yeah, her delivery is different, but she's a journalist with a program that competes with commentators. But the old style of sitting behind a desk reading news bytes doesn't work on a cable news network that is on 24-7. She specializes in specific news themes, and the bottom line is, she gets it right. And she has credibility. So go ahead. Do the research, and that means actual research and not just a citation from an extremist right wing commentator who isn't dealing in facts. See if there's anything there that's not accurate.

But I think you're right Keith. Jim and Jon aren't interested in facts and don't want to be informed. That would require thought and change, and I don't think they're interested.


Ed: Sandy, as long as you have been here do you really think those of us on these boards will begin to agree on what would be a legitimate, factual source offered by Maddow? In the first place I am not Impressed with her "Journalism".
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Jon Estes » Fri May 12, 2017 11:19 am

JE Pettibone wrote:
Sandy wrote:Watch both of the presentations. Do your own homework. Find one fact, one statement, one comment, that she does not substantiate with a legitimate, factual source. Yeah, her delivery is different, but she's a journalist with a program that competes with commentators. But the old style of sitting behind a desk reading news bytes doesn't work on a cable news network that is on 24-7. She specializes in specific news themes, and the bottom line is, she gets it right. And she has credibility. So go ahead. Do the research, and that means actual research and not just a citation from an extremist right wing commentator who isn't dealing in facts. See if there's anything there that's not accurate.

But I think you're right Keith. Jim and Jon aren't interested in facts and don't want to be informed. That would require thought and change, and I don't think they're interested.


Ed: Sandy, as long as you have been here do you really think those of us on these boards will begin to agree on what would be a legitimate, factual source offered by Maddow? In the first place I am not Impressed with her "Journalism".


Excellent comment Ed.

I find it hard to find her credible since she has shown her slam Trump at any cost. What little credibility she might have had was lost on her Trump taxes hour long nothing.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Sandy » Fri May 12, 2017 3:24 pm

Well, first of all it is clear that Jon hasn't bothered to watch, and knows zilch about Maddow, because she doesn't "slam Trump at any cost." The typical right wing perspective of the media, is that anything that's not slanted wholly and completely toward their biases, and their perceptions is "liberal." But even if she did take the opportunity to point things out about Trump, why is that a problem if they are substantiated facts? Most of her reporting on Trump simply uses his own words, playing a clip of him saying one thing, and then another one of him saying something totally contradictory, or playing a clip of him making a statement, and then one of the actual evidence or facts that prove he was lying.

Was there something in her presentation, when she had the page of the buffoon's tax return, that wasn't factual? I went back and watched that presentation again. She didn't overstate or understate anything, she didn't add anything to what she had, and she provided substantiation for her sources. It's not that hard to look something up, or check it out. It's easy to just say, "I don't like her" or "She's just more of the liberal left media" but those statements are meaningless opinion unless you have facts to support what you're saying, and clearly, neither Ed nor Jon have that.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Shawn Koester » Sat May 27, 2017 1:43 am

Rachel Maddow is a smart and highly educated woman. She has been known to do some good journalism from time to time but lately she has become a cheerleader for the corporate (Reagan style) Democrats/Democratic establishment. After all MSNBC is run by Comcast one of the worst corporations to work for, and the network lately has been veering further to the right. Their recent hires have included George Will and former Fox News associates. The difference between MSNBC and Fox is Fox is Republican Party propaganda (right of center) and MSNBC is Democratic establishment propaganda (center-right) Her neo-McCarthyism and Russia fear mongering is nothing more than the Establishment democrats (ala Hilarly Clinton) absolving themselves of any responsibility for running a disastrous candidate and campaign. The Russiagate thing is meant to push America into a new Cold War. The media in America is either afraid of Republicans (Republican lite- establishment Democratic), or is in the hands of Republicans. CNN is neutrality rather than objectivity. I don't bother with corporate media anymore (CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, ect). My sources of news are in the vein of Mint Press News, Redacted Tonight and other media sources in that vein. The reason corporate media is so bad in this country is because it used to be before the Clinton Telecom Act of the 90's that there was at least 50 companies that managed media, and today it is less than 10.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby KeithE » Sat May 27, 2017 9:43 am

Shawn Koester wrote:Rachel Maddow is a smart and highly educated woman. She has been known to do some good journalism from time to time but lately she has become a cheerleader for the corporate (Reagan style) Democrats/Democratic establishment. After all MSNBC is run by Comcast one of the worst corporations to work for, and the network lately has been veering further to the right. Their recent hires have included George Will and former Fox News associates. The difference between MSNBC and Fox is Fox is Republican Party propaganda (right of center) and MSNBC is Democratic establishment propaganda (center-right) Her neo-McCarthyism and Russia fear mongering is nothing more than the Establishment democrats (ala Hilarly Clinton) absolving themselves of any responsibility for running a disastrous candidate and campaign. The Russiagate thing is meant to push America into a new Cold War. The media in America is either afraid of Republicans (Republican lite- establishment Democratic), or is in the hands of Republicans. CNN is neutrality rather than objectivity. I don't bother with corporate media anymore (CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, ect). My sources of news are in the vein of Mint Press News, Redacted Tonight and other media sources in that vein. The reason corporate media is so bad in this country is because it used to be before the Clinton Telecom Act of the 90's that there was at least 50 companies that managed media, and today it is less than 10.


Definitions of right and left change with time. But the idea that Obama and Hillary are leftists is a joke. They both had a quiet militarism around the world. True leftists are peace loving in my definition.

Tell me why you call Rachel Maddow a neo-MaCarthyite? I hear you saying all the concern of Russian interference in the election (known to be true per 17 Intel agencies) is just “absolving themselves of any responsibility for running a disastrous candidate and campaign” and using fear mongering to do so. While I'll agree that Hillary was a poor candidate, there are real concerns of Trump’s actions here - he was at least caught on camera as calling for Russia to release Clinton emails - listen to: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relationship-226282. Maddow cannot be called a McCarthyite for just one possible use of fear mongering (ala Joe McCarthy) when that fear is quite real.

Thanks for the lead about Mint Press. I’m still researching Redacted Tonight. Like Democracy Now, one sees many well referenced stories that never make it to the corporate media who have potential advertisers in mind (e.g. no real stories about the Obama expansions of wars in 7 Middle East countries since it would betray the Military Industrial Complex). Here is a sample Mint Press “Behind the Scenes” story that I agree with.

Dear Outraged Liberals: Trump’s Just Taking Over Where Obama Left Off


I'll continue to watch MSNBC (especially Rachel), CNN (especially Tapper), FoxNews (to get some laughs/outrage) but need to spend more time at Mint Press, Democracy Now and RealNews (to get other stories not dared to be mentioned on corporate-funded media). If you don’t have time to watch/read all of these, at least try a sampling of some of these privately-funded news sources.
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Re: Rachel Maddow Show

Postby Sandy » Mon May 29, 2017 11:12 am

Shawn Koester wrote:Rachel Maddow is a smart and highly educated woman. She has been known to do some good journalism from time to time but lately she has become a cheerleader for the corporate (Reagan style) Democrats/Democratic establishment. After all MSNBC is run by Comcast one of the worst corporations to work for, and the network lately has been veering further to the right. Their recent hires have included George Will and former Fox News associates. The difference between MSNBC and Fox is Fox is Republican Party propaganda (right of center) and MSNBC is Democratic establishment propaganda (center-right) Her neo-McCarthyism and Russia fear mongering is nothing more than the Establishment democrats (ala Hilarly Clinton) absolving themselves of any responsibility for running a disastrous candidate and campaign. The Russiagate thing is meant to push America into a new Cold War. The media in America is either afraid of Republicans (Republican lite- establishment Democratic), or is in the hands of Republicans. CNN is neutrality rather than objectivity. I don't bother with corporate media anymore (CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, ect). My sources of news are in the vein of Mint Press News, Redacted Tonight and other media sources in that vein. The reason corporate media is so bad in this country is because it used to be before the Clinton Telecom Act of the 90's that there was at least 50 companies that managed media, and today it is less than 10.


Actually, MSNBC isn't "veering" to the right. In the cable news market, with 24 hour programming changing the way news and commentary are delivered, it has put forth a balance of views with different commentators. Maddow has been a mainstay of its evening lineup, largely because she's earned ratings that pushed the network past Fox, and a strong evening lineup. Greta Van Sustern, jumping over from Fox, is proof of the balance, though now that she is not bound by a conservative spin, and is free to control the content of her program, she is really showing her strength as a journalist.

If you ever watched Maddow, you'd know that your description of her is not even close. She doesn't soft petal facts, nor does she hold back when Democrats are inconsistent. Most right wingers are clapping their hands over their ears over the "Russia thing" even though the facts about their interference, and Trump campaign involvement, are pouring in from non-partisan (and perhaps even conservative leaning) intelligence services. Maddow isn't fear mongering, she's picked out the facts and followed them. Thankfully, there are a few others who are doing the same, because there are politicians in Washington who have developed such a deep, partisan perspective that they'd rather use Russian help to win than let the other side get an advantage. If journalists like Maddow don't succeed in pressuring enough Republicans to put America first, and set aside their partisanship as this investigation widens and deepens, they will at least have an impact on an electorate that appears headed toward a significant Democratic majority in 2018.
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