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Postby Joseph Patrick » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:51 am

From Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
Am I the only one who sees the present presidential administration as the SS Minnow?
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Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:40 am

Joseph Patrick wrote:From Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
Am I the only one who sees the present presidential administration as the SS Minnow?


Being ship wrecked? Or just a 3 hour tour? :D
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby Joseph Patrick » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:49 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:
Joseph Patrick wrote:From Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
Am I the only one who sees the present presidential administration as the SS Minnow?


Being ship wrecked? Or just a 3 hour tour? :D

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I was thinking more about being lost at sea with no rescue in sight.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby William Thornton » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:35 pm

Look for the Minnow to land a Supreme Court justice by the end of the week.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby Joseph Patrick » Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:42 pm

William Thornton wrote:Look for the Minnow to land a Supreme Court justice by the end of the week.

From Joseph Patrick...aka Gerry Milligan
So, there will be another castaway with no rescue in sight?
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Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:25 pm

William Thornton wrote:Look for the Minnow to land a Supreme Court justice by the end of the week.


You think Trump did that? LOL
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Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:26 pm

Joseph Patrick wrote:So, there will be another castaway with no rescue in sight?


Justice denied in political brinksmanship. And when the filibuster dies it will be the GOP's turn next time around to be sad that it will only take 51 Senators to put in a liberal Justice too.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby William Thornton » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:29 pm

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Joseph Patrick wrote:So, there will be another castaway with no rescue in sight?


Justice denied in political brinksmanship. And when the filibuster dies it will be the GOP's turn next time around to be sad that it will only take 51 Senators to put in a liberal Justice too.


Fine. Win some elections....and thank you Harry Reid.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:35 pm

You can skip back go Harry Reid if you like William. But the GOP pretending they didn't deny a sitting President his nominee for Supreme Court justice and now crying foul at the DNC doing the same is farcical. Is it any wonder congress has such a low approval rating?
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby KeithE » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:54 pm

All of the Quinnipiac Poll. Repeated below (red is mine):

American voters give President Donald Trump a negative 35 - 57 percent job approval, with negative approval among men and white voters, leaving him below former President Barack Obama's worst approval rating, a negative 38 - 57 percent in 2013, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Today's job approval rating compares to a negative 37 - 56 percent approval rating in a March 22 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University.

President Trump is behind among key elements of his base:
Men disapprove 51 - 39 percent;
Republicans approve 79 - 14 percent;
White voters disapprove 48 - 43 percent.
Disapproval is 63 - 31 percent among women, 91 - 6 percent among Democrats, 57 - 32 percent among independent voters and 77 - 16 percent among non-white voters.

American voters' opinions of some of Trump's personal qualities are mostly negative:
61 - 34 percent that he is not honest;
55 - 40 percent that he does not have good leadership skills;
57 - 39 percent that he does not care about average Americans;
66 - 29 percent that he is not level-headed;
64 - 33 percent that he is a strong person;
60 - 35 percent that he is intelligent;
61 - 34 percent that he does not share their values.

"President Donald Trump continues to struggle, even among his most loyal supporters. Many of them would be hard pressed to see even a sliver of a silver lining in this troubling downward spiral," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

"President George W. Bush, who hit a negative 28 - 67 percent on May 14, 2008, had less support, but it took eight years, two unpopular wars and a staggering economy to get there."

American voters say 55 - 39 percent that President Trump is keeping his campaign promises.

But 52 percent of voters say they are embarrassed to have Trump as president, while 27 percent are proud and 19 percent don't feel either emotion.

Trump gets a negative 28 - 64 percent approval rating for the way he is handling health care. Opinions on other issues are:
Disapprove 61 - 29 percent of the way he is handling the environment;
Disapprove 48 - 41 percent of the way he is handling the economy;
Disapprove 58 - 33 percent of the way he is handling foreign policy;
Disapprove 49 - 42 percent of the way he is handling terrorism;
Disapprove 57 - 39 percent of the way he is handling immigration issues.

A total of 52 percent of voters say the American economy is "excellent" or "good," while 45 percent say it is "not so good" or "poor." Former President Barack Obama is more responsible than President Trump for the current state of the economy, voters say 66 - 18 percent, including 64 - 26 percent among Republicans. Republicans in Congress

American voters disapprove 70 - 21 percent of the job Republicans in Congress are doing, compared to a 64 - 29 percent disapproval March 22.

Voters disapprove 57 - 34 percent of the job Democrats in Congress are doing.

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan gets a negative 28 - 52 percent favorability rating, compared to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's negative 30 - 47 percent.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell gets a negative 14 - 47 percent favorability rating, compared to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's negative 25 - 36 percent.
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Trump has less support or trust of the American people now than he did at election time. Thus his agenda must be argued for with facts not on a "trust me" basis or a "he was elected basis".
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Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:11 pm

Keith,

That is a good summary of all the areas that Trump is failing us as President.

The big question of me is how do we get people to get out and vote in 4 years? As I recall, about 26% of eligible voters elected Trump. Why are Americans satisfied to let less than 50% of the people decide their future?
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Postby William Thornton » Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:48 pm

Get a better candidate for 2020. Chelsea isn't ruling it out.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:00 pm

William Thornton wrote:Get a better candidate for 2020. Chelsea isn't ruling it out.


May be that is part of the answer.
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Postby KeithE » Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:04 pm

Timothy Bonney wrote:Keith,

That is a good summary of all the areas that Trump is failing us as President.

The big question of me is how do we get people to get out and vote in 4 years? As I recall, about 26% of eligible voters elected Trump. Why are Americans satisfied to let less than 50% of the people decide their future?

I would think his continuing lies, and current deflections on Russia would impeach/remove him by the time 2020 rolls around. If that’s not enough, his past crimes should catch up with him; he is facing 75 active court cases concerning fraud, unpaid bills, contract disputes and/or sexual discrimination.

If he completes his term, it should be apparent that the majority Americans will be worse off and they will rush to the polls. Now if he really does pull off a jobs programs (like Infrastructure), he might stand a chance. The battle is overtaking the RW narrative and politicization of non-issues (like terrorism, immigrants, and other fear mongering) and as you say getting out the vote.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby Sandy » Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:20 pm

KeithE wrote:
Timothy Bonney wrote:Keith,

That is a good summary of all the areas that Trump is failing us as President.

The big question of me is how do we get people to get out and vote in 4 years? As I recall, about 26% of eligible voters elected Trump. Why are Americans satisfied to let less than 50% of the people decide their future?

I would think his continuing lies, and current deflections on Russia would impeach/remove him by the time 2020 rolls around. If that’s not enough, his past crimes should catch up with him; he is facing 75 active court cases concerning fraud, unpaid bills, contract disputes and/or sexual discrimination.

If he completes his term, it should be apparent that the majority Americans will be worse off and they will rush to the polls. Now if he really does pull off a jobs programs (like Infrastructure), he might stand a chance. The battle is overtaking the RW narrative and politicization of non-issues (like terrorism, immigrants, and other fear mongering) and as you say getting out the vote.


He's left himself open to all kinds of impropriety by not following his own advisors with regard to his business relationships and interests. I think the Russian investigation will finish him off first, though. I'm sure they are already considering the possibilities, and planning for contingency.
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Postby Tim Bonney » Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:18 am

While I like to think Trump will be impeached, the idea of Pence becoming President is poor comfort.

Also, Trump seems to some how be coated in teflon. He has already said and done things that would have prevented other candidates from ever getting elected.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby William Thornton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:09 pm

The minnow has landed...gorsuch confirmed.

He will be deciding cases when we're all dead.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby Sandy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:54 pm

William Thornton wrote:The minnow has landed...gorsuch confirmed.

He will be deciding cases when we're all dead.


Possibly. Though I don't see this as the "minnow" landing. It may have filled in one hole that was leaking, and helped it get a couple of miles closer to being stranded on the island, but it sprang a few new leaks today, and it's still listing and sinking by the bow at a fast pace.

And in spite of the rhetoric, he's no Antonin Scalia.

I do like the fact that McConnell pulled the nuclear option. That will make it easy for Dems down the road.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby William Thornton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:36 pm

Sandy wrote:
William Thornton wrote:The minnow has landed...gorsuch confirmed.

He will be deciding cases when we're all dead.


Possibly. Though I don't see this as the "minnow" landing. It may have filled in one hole that was leaking, and helped it get a couple of miles closer to being stranded on the island, but it sprang a few new leaks today, and it's still listing and sinking by the bow at a fast pace.

And in spite of the rhetoric, he's no Antonin Scalia.

I do like the fact that McConnell pulled the nuclear option. That will make it easy for Dems down the road.


Hey, dems get a president and 50 votes (plus the VP), they can have their nominee. No big deal.
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Postby Dave Roberts » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:16 pm

I hear that Caroline Kennedy has expressed some interest in running in 2020. How does that sound?
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Postby Sandy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:37 pm

William Thornton wrote:
Sandy wrote:
William Thornton wrote:The minnow has landed...gorsuch confirmed.

He will be deciding cases when we're all dead.


Possibly. Though I don't see this as the "minnow" landing. It may have filled in one hole that was leaking, and helped it get a couple of miles closer to being stranded on the island, but it sprang a few new leaks today, and it's still listing and sinking by the bow at a fast pace.

And in spite of the rhetoric, he's no Antonin Scalia.

I do like the fact that McConnell pulled the nuclear option. That will make it easy for Dems down the road.


Hey, dems get a president and 50 votes (plus the VP), they can have their nominee. No big deal.


Should be easy for them to get there following the mid-terms in 2018. It's already looking extremely promising if you're a Democrat, even in some of the deep red states.
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Postby KeithE » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:56 pm

Dave Roberts wrote:I hear that Caroline Kennedy has expressed some interest in running in 2020. How does that sound?

I liked her words and selection of writings in A Patriot's Handbook
OTOH, I would like someone other than a Bush, Kennedy, Clinton or Trump.

How about Adam Schiff? A Stanford Grad!

I also like that he was the sponsor of a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Citizens United which gave corporations the right to contribute unlimited funds to political candidates.
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby William Thornton » Fri Apr 07, 2017 3:31 pm

2018 should be a democratic cake walk...just like 2016.

Caroline Kennedy? Puhleeze, can we get off of the dynasties?
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Re: SS Minnow

Postby Sandy » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:47 pm

William Thornton wrote:2018 should be a democratic cake walk...just like 2016.

Caroline Kennedy? Puhleeze, can we get off of the dynasties?


Well, 2016 wasn't bad. Clinton bested Trump by three million votes, the Dems gained three senate seats, a dozen house seats, a couple of governorships in deep red states, and that's better than the Republicans have done in any election at the end of a President's term. Perhaps once the Russian investigation is over, all of the voting machines they hacked in five states will confirm Trump's suspicion that there were thousands of fake votes cast, though I think they'll find that they were for him, not her. :wink:

Hasn't been a bad week for the Democrats overall, with the buffoon's job approval rating sinking to below 35%, the Republican Congress coming in at an all time low of 12%, and the DNC having its best fundraising week in its history.
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