This should finish him.

[Jim]

No matter how obnoxious, dishonest or how profound a fraud Hillary is, ya gotta hand it to her campaign gurus and “handlers” (candidates too dumb to operate on their own) for the locker-room delight. Billy Bush, the other character on the tape, was just hired by NBC (Today co-anchor) and moved his family to New York in August. NBC announced first that he was okay, then changed, probably because of potential backlash (also had a toxic mouth), and suspended him a la Brian Williams methodology. This “October surprise” was offered by a hack in Hillary’s main propaganda arm and disguised as news, though no different from eloquent anecdotes in any men’s toilet (except maybe for the trans clients) conversation in its own building or that of Congress or the White House, at least when Bubba was getting it on with Monica, speaking of whom my understanding is that the same garbage applies to women’s facilities, except for maybe the (gasp) trans. It would be funny if it weren’t so serious.

[KeithE]

[Jim]

[Sandy]

Don't see anything in that piece that verifies the video came from a "hack" in Hillary's campaign. It came from the Washington Post. This stuff is out there, all over the place. It's likely that the stuff from The Apprentice will require a subpoena to get, but apparently there are plenty of eyewitnesses. Seems he also forgot his tirades against Paula Jones and his defense of Bill Clinton, and his bashing of the women who were his accusers 20 years ago. It seems that he doesn't get it that he has made a record and much of it is public.

[Jim]

This has been one of the most hilarious discussions ever on this board. It's a lead-pipe cinch that most of the active (I'm relatively inactive because of my bluntness) self-righteous participants probably voted, if at all, for scumbag-in-chief Bill Clinton at least once and probably twice, notwithstanding the well-documented accounts of his treatment of the ladies and/or trollops. They will vote for Hillary, who attempted, mostly successfully, to ruin his victims' lives, also well-documented but look up your own stuff for proof. In addition, Hillary is a public enemy, though too mentally challenged to understand that or too venal in her attempts to socialize the nation a la Sanders and Obama to be held as “pure,” the persecuted but incomprehensibly intelligent WOMAN, who is on the record (look it up) for open borders throughout the Americas and the hostess for some 500,000 Muslim immigrants...or pick another number...who's counting? She would be headed to jail now but for the pooh-bahs and oligarchs, who make suckers of us all. God help us all!

[Tim Bonney]

I did vote for Bill twice and I'd vote for him again if he could run again. He was one of our best Presidents. Hillary is a gutsy leader who has spent her political life dogged by GOP operatives whose sole purpose was to dig dirt on her or her and Bill.

Like President Obama, when the Clintons were in office the main goal of the GOP was to see that they couldn't accomplish anything.

Making someone out to be a criminal because they have been investigated (when never proven guilty) means that the best way to destroy a politician is to simply trump up an investigation. If you take the time to read politofact and other fact check organizations Hillary is far more truthful that Trump by leaps and bounds.

[Sandy]

So the answer to Hillary Clinton, from the party of apple pie American patriotism and family values, is to nominate a candidate who is more corrupt and dishonest than she is, who excuses sexual assault by passing it off as "locker room banter", who makes most of his money by exploiting the cheap labor of undeveloped countries (and denying Americans jobs by the thousands), and off gambling interests (including strip clubs), or by living off borrowed money and ponzi schemes, and has himself cheated on all three of the women he's been married to by his own admission. Well, I guess that makes sense if you're willing to abandon the values you once touted as making you a superior choice to the other side.

The principled opposition to this mess is not coming from the places that you might expect. Muslim Americans are having a hard time understanding how a political party that claims almost exclusive rights to morality, and to a strict constructionist interpretation of the constitution have not repudiated Trump, articulated repeatedly by Khizr and Ghazala Khan. The Mormon Church, through its highest profile politicians, including both Utah senators Lee and Hatch, former GOP nominee Mitt Romney, and Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, has been perhaps the most consistent opposition within the GOP to Trump. Where are the evangelicals? You have to hand it to Russell Moore and Al Mohler. You may not like them, but they don't have to do any apologizing or backtracking. Beth Moore stepped up, yes indeed, perhaps the most prolific female Bible teacher and author in the SBC, and so did Elise Jordan, who worked as a national security advisor and speechwriter for the Bush administration, and particularly for Condaleeza Rice, who went so far as to be critical of Southern Baptists who are still on the Trump bandwagon.

It seems like it would be something pretty obvious, but Bill isn't running. Hillary is. And we have the FBI investigation report that exonerates her, the numerous Benghazi investigations, including the Gowdy committee, that exonerates her, the financial records of the Clinton foundation going back to its inception, hers and Bills income tax returns for most of their adult life, or at least, her political life, her health records, and the verdict in the Whitewater investigation that shows the Clintons were victims of that fraud just like the others who got burned. After making a big deal out of it, we still don't have Trump's health records or his tax returns. Her record as first lady, a Senator, and Secretary of State includes the good and bad for everyone to see. Her accomplishments are things that Trump would never aspire to achieve, and never has. Trump is welcome to trot out the women that Bill allegedly assaulted and raped, and then sit back and watch clip after clip of himself verbally assaulting them, calling them liars, and supporting Bill.

[Tim Bonney]

Well said Sandy. I don't at all get how the party that became the home of the "moral majority" can be supporting possibly the most immoral man who has ever run for President. If someone would have told me this was going to happen a few years ago I'd have laughed them out of the room. I give props to Russ Moore for his consistency in standing for his values against Trump. That takes guts even if he and I would disagree on many other thing.

[Haruo]

I see McKissic has found a second issue, and it trumps Trump's abortion rhetoric.

[Jim]

[Tim Bonney]

My best guess Jim is that we are living in alternate universes from each other. Remember the Clinton years far different than I do.

[Haruo]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]