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Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:02 pm

http://www.truthforanewgeneration.com/Home.html

The speakers for this event at the home church of Billy Graham and US Tea Party and Fox News Darling Trey Gowdy are pretty much a roll call for the Apologists of the religious right regularly paraded on ?Fox News; the discredited children of Francis Schaeffer--see Molly Worthen. It is sponsored by North Greenville College which was the emplate for Nelson Price's takeover of Shorter College in Rome, Ga.

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My blog on the matter

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:09 pm

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A staffer at FBC Sburg

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:14 pm

offered this interesting nugget in an email reply recently

We will not necessarily agree with every person at the Truth for a New Generation event. But the overall mission of making much of Jesus in our country is good and biblical (Philippians 1:12-18).


Even so seems to beg the question in my opinion.

I'm hoping some local media will join the conversation, even get a national take cause with this recent cluster of Balmer, Worthen, Steven Miller and Joe Crespino's Strom Thurmond's America,I'm convinced this is a bellwether even.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:34 pm

It's deceptive to associate this event with Trey Gowdy, who isn't involved in it. In fact, most everyone on the program is a noted Christian apologist, and some of them are from mainline denominations, not necessarily conservative, right wingers. Todd Starnes, of Fox News, whom I've met, is hosting a lunch, and he, along with Barton and Tim Wildmon might be considered to have right wing political connections. Ben Carson is being pushed by the Tea idiots as a potential Presidential candidate, though he doesn't seem to be interested, and on occasion, smacks them down with an intelligent, thoughtful statement or two.

This is clearly an apologetics event, and it's only being held at FBC Spartanburg, which, I would guess, is getting a fee for the use of its building. And though I would guess, and hope, that the church wouldn't host an event that would be hostile to its mission and purpose, their involvement with this doesn't imply the connection that you are implying that it does. The sponsor is North Greenville University. I guess Christian apologetics, which is clearly on the same intellectual level as the little cabal of patronizing liberals that you constantly mention in relation to, well, just about everything, rankles your hide because it provides evidence that you don't have to be liberal to be a Christian intellectual.

And the fact of the matter is that most of these people, especially Carson, Metaxas, Josh and Sean McDowell, and Gary Habermas, are more respected and followed than your little cabal of Balmer, Worthen, et al.
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Sandy's naivete is astounding

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:53 pm

But I doubt I could convince him of such.

I am hoping this gets the unpacking it deserves. I am doing my best to sound the alarm.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:28 pm

Collinsville, Alabama is not that far from Spartanburg. Instead of beefing about it, speculating, and making connections that don't exist, why not pay the fee and go check it out. Then you'll have the facts, albeit interpreted your own way, but you would at least have some standing to discuss the event in a reasonable manner, instead of overlaying it with your bias, and drawing a completely and totally irrelevant, unrelated conclusion weighted down by your pseudo-intellectual cabal.

I doubt that Balmer, Worthen or Frady would bother with this. Pseudo-intellectual liberals tend to avoid Christian apologetics since they are not abstract, and they undergird and affirm more conservative interpretations of scripture.
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Fox News and FBC Sburg

Postby Stephen Fox » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:51 pm

As Fox News hosts Mike Huckabee twice on the weekend and the Life and Liberty Seminar is practically a roll call of the darlings of Fox News as they play the religion card, this interview and book calls into question the discernment, the integrity of FBC Spartanburg's witness in the public square

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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Ed Pettibone » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:45 pm

Sandy wrote:Collinsville, Alabama is not that far from Spartanburg. Instead of beefing about it, speculating, and making connections that don't exist, why not pay the fee and go check it out. Then you'll have the facts, albeit interpreted your own way, but you would at least have some standing to discuss the event in a reasonable manner, instead of overlaying it with your bias, and drawing a completely and totally irrelevant, unrelated conclusion weighted down by your pseudo-intellectual cabal.

I doubt that Balmer, Worthen or Frady would bother with this. Pseudo-intellectual liberals tend to avoid Christian apologetics since they are not abstract, and they undergird and affirm more conservative interpretations of scripture.


Ed: Sandy, the 278 miles from Collinville to Spatansburg is at least a 2 and a half day trip by bicycle. That is 556 miles round trip.
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Re: Fox News and FBC Sburg

Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:29 pm

Stephen Fox wrote:As Fox News hosts Mike Huckabee twice on the weekend and the Life and Liberty Seminar is practically a roll call of the darlings of Fox News as they play the religion card, this interview and book calls into question the discernment, the integrity of FBC Spartanburg's witness in the public square

http://www.npr.org/2014/01/16/263063731 ... ews-empire

Have no idea what Roger Ailes has to do with FBC Spartanburg. Could you explain that Stephen.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:21 am

Roger Ailes has nothing to do with FBC Spartanburg. It's just another irrelevant, off topic hit and run by Stephen.
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Roger Ailes is News director for Fox News

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:28 pm

The roll call for the FBC Seminar folks routinely appear on Fox News to spread half mindedness and demagoguery under the banner of fair and balanced reporting. That is what the interview I linked above is about. and that is why this seminar is so sinister with analogies to the mindset Bonhoeffer resisted in Germany in the 30's. See my blog at http://www.foxofbama.blogspot.com on the Politics or Stupidity as described by Bonhoeffer. It's what you get when you turn the SBC over to Jesse Helms and Criswell and Paul Pressler.

For certain here is another topic these "Christian" Baptists will not entertain in Spartanburg early September. If they do watch them disappear on Fox News:

The elephant in the Tea Party room at FBC Spartanburg:

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2014- ... inequality
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Chic Fil A and the Honduran Crisis

Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:13 pm

One subject that would be appropriate at the FBC Sburg seminar would be immigration reform. About six months ago Trey Gowdy had an opportunity to move things forward but he got deep into the politics of Benghazi for Fox News and Tea Party Points.

Now we have this mess in Honduras.

Chic Fil A is one of the sponsors of the SBurg events. CFA CEO Dan Cathy's bro in law is a former VP of the SBC IMB. Cahty's sister and said husband were missionaries to Brazil.

Let's hear their take on Honduras as informed by the testimony this morning of Ms. Nazario to the Senate Foreign Relations committee

Google and listen to her testimony online yesterday from NPR's Here and Now.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:06 pm

Wow, what a connection! How does being Dan Cathey's brother in law connect to a conference that is only in part sponsored by Chic-Fil-A? And why would immigration reform be a considered topic at an apologetics conference? I think immigration reform would be an excellent topic, in an appropriate place and time, especially for Baptists. I'd be curious as to what would develop out of that.
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Postby Stephen Fox » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:10 pm

Ed, in the fall of 72 I borrowed my frend Tom Gais ten speed Schwinn and bked all the way from Furman to Gaffney through Spartanburg one Sunday aftenoon on old US HWY 29, a distance of some 50 odd miles. Took me four hours.

Some thieves stole my bike in Alabama about four years ago and my health has suffered on account of it.

I have relatives in the Upstate and hope to get on the Swamp Rabbit trail and do the 7 miles from TR past Furman to downtown Greenville within the next two years but a trip from Bama to Soartanburg now is out of the question for me.

By car with good travel time around Atlanta I could get to Spartanburg in 4:45 if I don't stop at any cracker Barrels.

In 2003 or so I was able to drive up one morning in time to get to Idell Petty's funeral on the other side of Gaffney for the 3pm service. Her husband was the fire chief and she cut my Dad's hair in a shop near our church there; sometimes mine. They were part of the family. They used to come over with her sister and bro in law to the Helton Reunion, Dad's Momma's people the 4th Sunday in August.

Dad preached to George mcGovern there in 1983
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Re: Chic Fil A and the Honduran Crisis

Postby Lou » Thu Jul 17, 2014 10:52 pm

Stephen Fox wrote: Let's hear their take on Honduras as informed by the testimony this morning of Ms. Nazario to the Senate Foreign Relations committee

Google and listen to her testimony online yesterday from NPR's Here and Now.

Sonia Nazario's book "Enrique's Journey" is a must-read, IMO.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:06 pm

It's fair to point out that there is absolutely no connection between the conference at FBC Spartanburg, and anything Stephen cites in his last three posts. There is less there than there is between FBC Spartanburg and the conference.
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FBC Spburg complicitous in Hijacking Bonhoeffer?

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:29 pm

is not the right Bonhoeffer. Would be interesting to have FBC Sburg Staff examine the legacy of Bonhoeffer in light of the discussion about how their Conference leader Metaxas has skewed Bonhoeffer for the Tea Party.

http://www.readthespirit.com/explore/th ... nge-glory/

And Bonhoeffer Hijacked

http://www.christiancentury.org/reviews ... bonhoeffer

See next post on Amazing Grace and Honduras. Where does FBC Sburg come down?
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Amazing Grace, FBC Sburg and Honduras

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:53 pm

FBC Sburg is home of Trey Gowdy, a key Tea party in the US House who can move the Dream Act and an immigration bill forward worthy of the best legacy of the SBC IMB to which FBC Sburg has many connections from Chic Fil A whose sister of Dan Cathy is married to recent VP of the IMB, to www.ginnybrant.com, a recent Trustee.

Eric Metaxas, if not a producer a key figure in the popular movie of a few years ago of William Wilberforce from which the song amazing grace sprang. Ironically Congressman Lois Lerner Benghazi Gowdy seems unawares of the implications of the William Wilberforce bill and the implications for the integrity of Baptist witness in Latin America

In light of this opinion piece

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/ ... ng-borders

Maybe a breakout session on Honduras and America's border is called for at the Life and Liberty Conference at FBC Spartanburg South Carolina in September.
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My Dad's friend Colin Harris on the Tea Party

Postby Stephen Fox » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:23 pm

Colin Haris was a friend of my Dad since 1962 when my Father came down from Truett Memorial Baptist Church in Hayesville, NC to be summer camp Chaplain for Druid Hills BC in Atlanta through his friend from SEBTS, David Bookout.

Randall Balmer is my friend.

I am proud to be among such company and this light on the Tea Party of FBC Spartanburg

Harris son teaches Math at Furman

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Trey Gowdy and James Lankford

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:15 pm

I've been talking almost daily to staff and interns by phone in the D.C. offices of these two Southern Baptist Congressman about the implications for the SBC IMB, WMU, even Chic Fil A. This morn I talked to Tom Ellif's son in law Lankford's chief of staff, Michelle.
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Ted Cruz Immigration Pizza party

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:36 pm

http://blogs.rollcall.com/218/ted-cruz- ... esty/?dcz=

Cruz a product of Ed Young's and Jim Deloach's 2nd Houston "Christian" Academy. What and how much influence was Judge Paul Pressler there.

Goehmert is from Judge Pressler's Fireside Chat friend of Tyler Texas
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:03 pm

It's North Greenville University's conference, not FBC Spartanburg. Nothing you've posted has anything to do with either the conference itself, or FBC Spartanburg. Or North Greenville University for that matter.

I'll bet that Fox News doesn't even mention the conference, the church, the university, Pressler, Gowdy or Billy Graham in a single related news item.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby KeithE » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:08 pm

Sandy wrote:It's North Greenville University's conference, not FBC Spartanburg. Nothing you've posted has anything to do with either the conference itself, or FBC Spartanburg. Or North Greenville University for that matter.

I'll bet that Fox News doesn't even mention the conference, the church, the university, Pressler, Gowdy or Billy Graham in a single related news item.

Sandy, the conference is at FBC Spartanburg as Stephen’s first post showed. That such a political conference (with some religious content) is being held at a Baptist church (charging $69.95 for attendance, $49.95 for ages 11-23) is clearly outside of normal Baptist practice.

We will see about Fox News coverage of that event. Todd Starnes is certainly involved.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby Sandy » Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:12 am

If you look at the website, the content is Biblical apologetics, and with few exceptions, most of the speakers appear to be addressing aspects of that topic. It is North Greenville University's conference, being held at FBC Spartanburg, I would guess because there is a relationship between the school, governed by South Carolina's Southern Baptists, and the church, which is the largest SBC church, close enough to the university to have some of its students, faculty and administrative staff among the membership. Regardless, just because the church hosts the conference doesn't constitute full endorsement of any of its political content by any of its individual members. Individual Baptists speak for themselves, their churches do not do it for them.

KeithE wrote: That such a political conference (with some religious content) is being held at a Baptist church (charging $69.95 for attendance, $49.95 for ages 11-23) is clearly outside of normal Baptist practice.


Perhaps the political undertones were more subtle, but as I recall, the New Baptist Covenant beamed its satellite transmission from the conference it held at Second Ponce De Leon Baptist Church in Atlanta. I don't see much difference, since there were political influences at work there as well, couched in the content of the conference.
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Re: Life and Liberty at FBC Spartanburg

Postby KeithE » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:19 pm

Sandy wrote:Perhaps the political undertones were more subtle, but as I recall, the New Baptist Covenant beamed its satellite transmission from the conference it held at Second Ponce De Leon Baptist Church in Atlanta. I don't see much difference, since there were political influences at work there as well, couched in the content of the conference.


What NBC conference are you talking about?
I guess it was this conference
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