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So Sue Me

Postby KeithE » Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:44 am

Boehner to Sue Obama

Obama "So Sue Me"

This (or impeachment) is probably inevitable in the acerbic atmosphere brought on by Rush/Fox News.

Some background:

Obama has given less Executive Orders (147) in his first term than any President since Benjamin Harrison’s 143.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php

Yet Boehner is complaining about excess “executive action” by Obama and not enforcing statures.
Boehner: But too often over the past five years, the President has circumvented the American people and their elected representatives through executive action, changing and creating his own laws, and excusing himself from enforcing statutes he is sworn to uphold -- at times even boasting about his willingness to do it, as if daring the American people to stop him.


Meanwhile Congress has enacted less blls than ever:
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The 113th Congress is widely believed to be the least productive Congressional Session in recent history. (a fact I know delights cons)

Note that Boehner countered we should count the number of laws repealed; but the truth is there have been no repeals made in the 113th session (although 40+ attempts have been made wrt the ACA).

As for statures being enforced, lobbyists have effectively blocked enforcement of many statures (Dodd-Frank Rules, EPA, OHSA, Gun Laws) often through the means of limiting funding to agencies through Boehner’s House.

I’d say bring the suit on and the “discussion” herein on BL as well.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Timothy Bonney » Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:09 pm

If anyone ought to be sued it is this do-nothing congress.

I know this is satire. But most satire has a grain of truth. http://www.theonion.com/articles/resign ... the,36268/

The main focus of congress has been to make sure that the President doesn't get to accomplish any of his agenda, even it is something they might support from anyone else.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Dave Roberts » Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:34 pm

If this were about winning a lawsuit, Mr. Boehner would simply have filed it. This is all about politics and endless statements to the 24-hour news cycles. He is simply trying to get publicity. The whole thing is a disingenuous politics at its worst.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Sandy » Mon Jul 07, 2014 12:39 am

It's been an interesting year, from a political perspective. I love it when one of the GOP extremists opens their mouth and inserts their foot, but when Boehner, Lindsay Graham or John McCain are caught up in the same babble, it's hard to stop the belly laugh that develops. Meanwhile, unemployment continues to drop, and will be below the 7% threshold prior to November, as the economy kicks up and is adding over a quarter of a million new jobs a month. Domestic oil production now exceeds what we buy from foreign sources. The stock market is as high as it has ever been, and the dollar is as strong as it has ever been in foreign markets. Insurance company stocks have soared since the ACA was enacted, and more people now have health coverage than ever before. Fewer people are entering the country illegally than at any time since 1999, and more illegals are being caught and deported than during the Bush years. The deficit spending in the budget has been halved. And all of that has been done in spite of the do-nothing Republican house.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Mrs Haruo » Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:35 am

Considering the box of rocks and horse pucky Barack Obama had to start with when he took office, I think he is doing very well. As for congress, my father had a rather colorful expression he sometimes used on me- "If I caught you doing that I would kick your butt till it got stuck between your ears." The vision of trying to walk in that condition would get us both laughing. It is a very good thing I live so far from Washington D.C. By the time the government shut down earlier this year I was so disgusted with a number of members of congress I would have been tempted to visit their offices and do a lot of butt kicking myself. Not to mention a number of TV commenters (calling them journalists is an insult to the craft). Haruo really needs to keep a leash on me sometimes. I am not the peaceable person he is.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby KeithE » Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:28 am

Sally Kohn on Boehner’s threat.
Note: same reporter as Sandy’s Polifacts on Hobby Lobby.

Notable quotes (but read the whole article for facts):

With all due respect, Speaker Boehner, it's as though the fog of extreme partisanship that has colored your dealings with President Obama since day one has suddenly turned into a full-on fever of irrationality.


If you're looking for an example of stretching that authority to the point of breaking it, perhaps you shouldn't scrutinize a former Constitutional law professor but instead his predecessors. "I believe in a strong, robust executive authority," Vice President Dick Cheney said in 2005. "The president of the United States needs to have his constitutional powers unimpaired."


Yes, that's true, and President Obama is simply exercising those inherent executive powers. Now please exercise yours and pass some laws to help America instead of wasting taxpayer money on a frivolous lawsuit that is nothing more than a flagrant partisan stunt.


Maybe the voters of Ohio’s 8th District ought to send Boehner packing ala Eric Cantor. http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio%27s_8th_Congressional_District_elections,_2014
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby James » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:55 am

Most of us just do not understand the system. Any time the GOP/TP, bends the rules on executive power it is the right thing to do and good for the country (the rich side of it anyway), but when Dems do it, it is wrong, un-American, socialist, etc.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Timothy Bonney » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:46 am

James wrote:Most of us just do not understand the system. Any time the GOP/TP, bends the rules on executive power it is the right thing to do and good for the country (the rich side of it anyway), but when Dems do it, it is wrong, un-American, socialist, etc.


And James, the GOP is assuming (and it may be true) that Americans have such short memories that they've forgotten what the GOP did in previous years. That's the only way you can explain Dick Cheney trying to give advice on defense when he was so involved in royally screwing up our decisions about Iraq in the past.

How do we encourage US citizens to actually remember what someone did 8 years ago?
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:14 am

I remember the 1960 presidential campaign quite clearly. The big disagreement was over who the bad guys were. Depending on the party the kid you asked's dad was rooting for, Kennedy (according to GOP-leaning dads' kids) or Nixon (according to Dem-oriented dads' kids), if elected, was going to make us go to school on Saturday.
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Haruo » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:16 am

When we were in Japanese public schools, we did have to go to school (albeit not all day) on Saturday. And they didn't even have our parties; their conservative party was called the Liberal Democrats. How very inscrutable of them. ;-)
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Timothy Bonney » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:26 am

Haruo wrote:I remember the 1960 presidential campaign quite clearly. The big disagreement was over who the bad guys were. Depending on the party the kid you asked's dad was rooting for, Kennedy (according to GOP-leaning dads' kids) or Nixon (according to Dem-oriented dads' kids), if elected, was going to make us go to school on Saturday.


Hmm. I think some parents would vote to get kids to school on Saturday so they'd not have to keep track of them. :D
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Re: So Sue Me

Postby Mrs Haruo » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:21 pm

"Hmm. I think some parents would vote to get kids to school on Saturday so they'd not have to keep track of them" Why do you think the Sunday School on the little Navy base I taught 3&4th graders in was so popular? A bus went around base housing picking the kids up - I never saw any of the parents. They were sleeping in while the kids were gone.
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