Timothy Bonney wrote:David,
You do realize that most of the people who are a part of the fundamentalist takeover of the SBC are ardent Republicans don't you? You think those folks are some how better than Barack Obama and the Clintons? I sure don't see it.
Yep, I sure do... Way better... As sorry as the SBC takeover gang was, they were light years more honest than Barack Obama and both Clintons... My opinion of Obama & the Clintons is virtually the same as Sandy's opinion of Dick Chaney & George Bush...
Timothy Bonney wrote:Wow David. Makes no sense to me voting with the same folks who trashed the SBC and chased you out of your job. But hey, I also don't understand why Sandy is a Democrat given how conservative he is otherwise.
Haruo wrote:David, I would like to use a couple maybe three of the songs from Tsese-Ma'heone- Nemeotȯtse in a shapenote tunebook I intend to publish next summer. Do you know how I can best contact the heirs and assigns of Belle Wilson Rouse to ask permission to use "Jesus Netavovehone"? (The others are by Rodolphe Petter, and look like almost certainly public domain at this point.)
That sounds like great project, Haruo. I haven't a clue how to contact the heirs and assigns of Belle Wilson Rouse. I moved last September and my Cheyenne language stuff is packed and in a storage building. It uses the tune of "Amazing Grace," so there shouldn't be any problem on that count. The words aren't a translation of "Amazing Grace." Rather it's a entirely different some sung to the Tune of "Amazing Grace."
As I recall, the hymn book was published by the Mennonites. I think the book was published by Mennonite Press, Inc out of Newton, Kansas. I purchased 40 of the hymnals for the Watonga church and went through these people to get them. You might give it a try to go through the publishing house to get further information.
The Petter hymns may well be public domain. I don't know. The entire collection of hymns in the book have been, at one time or another, copied and republished by scores of Cheyenne churches of all stripes through the years. I still have a mimeographed copy of about 20 Cheyenne hymns which my home church (Hammon Indian Baptist Church [SBC]) put together when I was in high school. And that was nearly 60 years ago, believe it or not...
Sorry I can't be more help to you.
David Flick wrote:.
. It's obvious that Senator Belfry is a Liberal Democrat, i.e. the same stripe as Barak Obama & Hillary Clinton...
A beltway blowhard, seemingly patterned after Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy, and whose name is a pun of "bats in the belfry"
Ed Pettibone wrote:And A lot of folk in the south have switched parties since 79 and before.
KeithE wrote:David Flick wrote:It's obvious that Senator Belfry is a Liberal Democrat, i.e. the same stripe as Barak Obama & Hillary Clinton...
David is continuing his comic book attack approach to arriving at truth this time about a couple of succesful Democratic politicians and by extension “liberal Democrats”.
If you have a point to make David, 1you might want to give a permanent link to your link above and talk to that - 2that is if you want to break your longstanding claim that you ‘refrain from giving political comment’.
1) The link to the Shoe comic strip of Saturday, June 28, 2014 has gone into the archives and is no longer available for public view without purchasing it. Since it was copyrighted, I didn't have permission to post it as printed. So far as I'm able to discern, there is no permanent link available. If there is one, I couldn't locate it...
2) Actually, my one sentence statement was more of an observation than commentary. That said, if you (or Sandy) could actually document that Chaney & Bush were worse liars than Obama and the Clintons, you would have some ground to stand on. But the fact of the matter is that you can't. Impossible. For starters, Obama earned the distinction of telling the 2013 Lie of the Year, not once, not twice, not thrice, but 37 times in public speeches. That lie was, of course, "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it." And that's just one of the scores of documented lies which Obama has told during his presidency. Hillary Clinton blatently lied many times about the Benghazi fiasco. Heck, a simple google search shows her marvelous "lie ability." And, of course, who could ever forget the famous Bill Clinton lie, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"...?
The comic strip Shoe has a regular, fictional character Senator Baston D. Belfry.A beltway blowhard, seemingly patterned after Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy, and whose name is a pun of "bats in the belfry"
Yes, and both Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy were Liberal Democrats... My observation confirmed...
Most politicians stretch the truth often aligning themselves to optimize vote getting while working to get as much campaign cash as they can (outside of public view and with strings attached). Principled politicians are few and far between. The best thing we could do to reduce the “Lie Ability” is campaign finance reform utilizing media sources (internet, TV news, newspapers/magazines) to provide open debates with 100% public financing. To add interest, we could have a World Cup or NCAA Tournament elimination style debate-off which we employ to fairly find the best sports teams but somehow avoid when selecting politicians (offered only partially in jest).
David Flick wrote:That said, if you (or Sandy) could actually document that Chaney & Bush were worse liars than Obama and the Clintons, you would have some ground to stand on.
Sandy wrote:David Flick wrote:That said, if you (or Sandy) could actually document that Chaney & Bush were worse liars than Obama and the Clintons, you would have some ground to stand on.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Maddow ... 16-72.html
The lies of Cheney, Bush, and their whole administration were documented, including testimony from those who were lied to, and those who were asked to help perpetrate the lies, and confirmed in the documentaries done on the Iraq War. Even Colin Powell has come forward and admitted that the Bush administration knew there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and that the evidence of collusion between Iraq and Al Qaida was invented by the CIA under Bush's direct orders to manufacture it if they couldn't find it.
To date, there's not a single documented case where an individual was forced to give up the insurance policy that either they or their employer paid for as a result of the regulations of the affordable care act. There are some insurance companies who have been forcing their clients into different policies and claiming it was because of the ACA, but there isn't one documented case where the ACA regulation caused that to happen. Nor have the now 14 investigations on Benghazi that are wasting taxpayer money come up with anything that Hillary Clinton said that was not true. The one independent investigation that actually got true facts confirmed what she said. The others wound up getting baited by paid informants that bilked them of taxpayer money and sent them chasing rabbits.
Somewhere down the line you've fallen hook line and sinker for the Liberal Democrat talking points. You're attempting to defend the indefensible with respect to Hillary Clinton...1You have no credibility on making accusations of liars, David. 2Bush and Cheney have their photos beside the definition of pathological liar in the dictionary. 3If you won't acknowledge that, then I must conclude that you can't recognize a lie when you see one.
- My credibility isn't at stake here.
- Oh, really!? In which dictionary might I find Bush and Cheney's photos beside the definition of "pathological liar"?? I checked every dictionary I have, as well as several online dictionaries. I found exactly zero photos of either man next to the definition of "pathological liar". In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a dictionary with photos associated with the term. I think I caught you telling a big fat lie. If anyone's credibility is at stake in this discussion, it's yours...
- Are you suggesting that Obama's declaration that"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," isn't a lie? Are you suggesting that Hiliary's claim that the Benghazi attack was the direct result of an evil internet video isn't a lie? Are you suggesting that Clinton's claim that he didn't have sex with Monica Lewinsky isn't a lie? If so, I conclude that you're the one who can't recognize a lie when you see one.
I'm finished with this discussion. I've violated my personal commitment to refrain from discussing secular politics. When I was in high school (nearly 60 years ago) my father advised me to never discuss/argue politics with friends. Said he, it's the quickest way to make bitter enemies out of good friends. I've never forgotten his advice. Henceforth, I'll keep my personal opinions about secular politics to myself...
Ed Pettibone wrote:Ed: Keith I think that due to a personal bias you are being to kind to Obama on this one. I am of the opinion that his motive in repeating a statement that he should have known was unsupportable fit in the Territory of a LIE. In that I believe his motive was to sell his proposal and due to his arrogant thinking that he always knows what is best, he expressed what he preferred as a fact to get his way. Again he is the President of the USA not the king of some serfdom.
And we as a people need to quit giving politicians of all parties, free passes, just because their vocational choice seems to require lying.
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