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Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Wed May 21, 2014 7:19 am

It doesn't appear that any tea party kooks won their primary challenges to mainstream Republicans. It also doesn't look like the Koch brothers money in the primaries got much traction for the candidates they were supporting. Hope I get out of the doctor's office in time to hear Limbaugh the lamebrain. He's always entertaining when he's a loser.

It was a really good night for Democrats, especially here in PA. Those who got the lowest ratings from right wing groups won big. Turnout in the Dem primary was double the last mid-term, which bodes well for November. GOP, not so good. Too much infighting.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby KeithE » Wed May 21, 2014 9:06 am

Sandy wrote:It doesn't appear that any tea party kooks won their primary challenges to mainstream Republicans. It also doesn't look like the Koch brothers money in the primaries got much traction for the candidates they were supporting. Hope I get out of the doctor's office in time to hear Limbaugh the lamebrain. He's always entertaining when he's a loser.

It was a really good night for Democrats, especially here in PA. Those who got the lowest ratings from right wing groups won big. Turnout in the Dem primary was double the last mid-term, which bodes well for November. GOP, not so good. Too much infighting.

Just maybe the country is ready to move on from the lamebrain! and Fox News!
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby William Thornton » Wed May 21, 2014 9:25 am

You guys should be depressed about it. Here in GA the dems were lusting after the tea party candidate, Paul Brown, hoping he would be Michelle Nunn's opponent. Brown got around 10% of the votes. Repubs have decided they don't think any more Todd akin moments will be helpful in winning votes.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Wed May 21, 2014 9:53 am

William Thornton wrote:You guys should be depressed about it. Here in GA the dems were lusting after the tea party candidate, Paul Brown, hoping he would be Michelle Nunn's opponent. Brown got around 10% of the votes. Repubs have decided they don't think any more Todd akin moments will be helpful in winning votes.


It would have been easier, sure, if the tea party kooks were the GOP nominees, though I am a lot more comfortable seeing mainstream Republicans still in control of the party, rather than the nut case lunatics of the tea party. But the GOP has given the Democrats a mid-term silver bullet which seems to be working everywhere it has been rolled out. It's called the Paul Ryan budget, and it moves older adults to the Democrats and the polls in significant numbers. It's moved two senate races from Republican leads to double digit Democrat leads, including the "most vulnerable" Democrat, Mark Pryor, whose ad campaign turned things around in just three weeks. In West Virginia, it moved Tennant, the Democrat, from a seven point deficit, in the state where Obama has the lowest job approval ratings, to a twelve point lead that is widening. So I'm not really depressed. It will be fun to watch Mitch McConnell concede his senate race.

Sign of the way things are going, in this battleground state of Pennsylvania, the Democrats today are running ads touting their "zero" ratings from right wing groups, and featuring a lot of background video with the President. There's no senate race here, but the current GOP governor, Corbett, is going to take a shellacking, and the slim majority that the GOP has in the house and senate will evaporate. Looks like five, maybe six, congressional seats will change hands, from GOP to Dem, and in neighboring Ohio, the same thing is happening.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby William Thornton » Wed May 21, 2014 9:55 am

I'm just glad sandy is around so I can get the democratic talking points first thing every morning.
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Ga Senate race and Stupid People

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed May 21, 2014 10:27 am

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... or/371308/

If Perdue is the face of Western Civilization in our time, then friends the country and Christendom is in trouble. The Tea Party spectrum is something of a ruse. The South is eat up with stupid people who can't tell the difference from an Art Pope backed hack in North Carolina from Tom Perdue, from Abraham Lincoln and Judge Frank Johnson, even Eisenhower. With Eisenhower as the fulcrum Perdue and the so called mainstreamer in North Carolina GOP is Joe McCarthy. So no Sandy, the Koch brothers are doing well.

For the definition of stupid people, see Bonhoeffer in the Charles Marsh bio.

Today I am wiser than all of yall has I had a long day in Barnes and Noble yesterday. I was hop scotching among three bios and back again, from the Wichita Boys about the Koch Bros, to Balmer's Redeemer President to Marsh's Strange Glory of Bonhoeffer.

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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Wed May 21, 2014 11:05 am

William Thornton wrote:I'm just glad sandy is around so I can get the democratic talking points first thing every morning.


Actually, most of what I will call the "gloom and doom" report came from the Fox News network this morning. I was looking for their spin, and a few tears, and got both.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Timothy Bonney » Wed May 21, 2014 11:49 am

It actually might have been better if the Tea Party folks had gotten the nod because they are unelectable in the general election.

But I do think this shows the electorate is recognizing how wacko some of these Tea Party folks are. The quotes I've seen from some of the Tea Partiers have been astounding. I'm not fan of Mitch. But I'd take him over his Tea Party opponent any day.
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Another Nunn for US Senate

Postby Stephen Fox » Wed May 21, 2014 11:49 am

Here is where Thornton can show his true colors.

I'm praying Nunn wins against the forces of darkness in Georgia which now includes most of the state's Southern Baptists, sad to say

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upsho ... .html?_r=0
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Re: Another Nunn for US Senate

Postby William Thornton » Wed May 21, 2014 11:52 am

Stephen Fox wrote:Here is where Thornton can show his true colors.

I'm praying Nunn wins against the forces of darkness in Georgia which now includes most of the state's Southern Baptists, sad to say

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upsho ... .html?_r=0


Nunn had a good chance against some of the GOP field, not so much against the two that are left. I'll vote for the GOP nominee.

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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby William Thornton » Wed May 21, 2014 11:53 am

Sandy wrote:
William Thornton wrote:I'm just glad sandy is around so I can get the democratic talking points first thing every morning.


Actually, most of what I will call the "gloom and doom" report came from the Fox News network this morning. I was looking for their spin, and a few tears, and got both.


You just outed yourself. Fox News watcher sandy.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Wed May 21, 2014 6:25 pm

William Thornton wrote:
Sandy wrote:
William Thornton wrote:I'm just glad sandy is around so I can get the democratic talking points first thing every morning.


Actually, most of what I will call the "gloom and doom" report came from the Fox News network this morning. I was looking for their spin, and a few tears, and got both.


You just outed yourself. Fox News watcher sandy.


On occasion, especially after the GOP has had a bad day, I like to see how they're spinning it. Listened to Rush for about 45 minutes today, too. He was his usual stuttering, incoherent, blustering self following a loss for his constituency. He threatened to advocate keeping the Tea Partiers home in November. I wish him well in that endeavor. I think a lot of them will stay home.

A few weeks ago, they were talking about picking up enough Senate seats to gain a majority. Now they're talking strategy about how to help Mitch keep his seat, and keeping the seat in Georgia in GOP hands. The GOP has a runoff to drain funds and have two guys who are basically going to beat each other up, according to Faux, while Nunn can plan out her campaign, buy ads at a big discount, and basically run a relatively positive campaign. If I were going to place bets, I'd put my money on both Grimes and Nunn.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby William Thornton » Wed May 21, 2014 7:09 pm

Limbaugh and Fox News? If you say you listen to Hannity...it's off to the reeducation camp for you.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Wed May 21, 2014 7:14 pm

William Thornton wrote:Limbaugh and Fox News? If you say you listen to Hannity...it's off to the reeducation camp for you.


Even when listening to them cry, I can only take so much. No Glenn Beck, No Hannity, no Michael Savage.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby ET » Thu May 22, 2014 1:40 pm

Sandy, I ran across polling data that stated that Tea Partiers went 53-33 for McConnell. Not exactly consistent with your premise. In ANY election, the incumbent is at a serious disadvantage when up against a career politician with name recognition, free postage and weekly or daily C-SPAN, ABC, NBC, Fox and CBS access that even the Koch brothers can't match.

This result also goes against the obsession that Harry Reid and folks such as yourself have with the Koch brothers. If the Koch brothers are so impotent with all that money flying around that is supposedly buying our democracy, yet their money doesn't get results, then you should rejoice that they are "stimulating" the economy by giving it out to "hardworkingamericans" who are employed in advertising, TV, radio, print, etc. They are "redistributing" their wealth with any cost to government. :)
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Thu May 22, 2014 5:54 pm

It's not the result that matters. It's the principle. Some of the heavy hitters have backed off since pouring money into the 2012 election that didn't go their way. But that's not the point. The point is that, regardless of its effectiveness at any particular time, it violates the constitutional principle of one person, one vote by creating an avenue of additional influence for a specific group of individuals which disenfranchises others who don't have the same influence. The basic constitutional principle at stake is one of protection of the rights of the minority, even a minority of one. The only way to do that is to either limit campaign contributions to an amount that everyone can afford, or eliminate them all together and confine the parameters of a campaign to a specific dollar amount designated from the tax fund.
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New book about the Koch Bros

Postby Stephen Fox » Fri May 23, 2014 1:56 pm

The Wichita boys. Father Fred was eat up with the John Birch Society. Explains a lot of Pressler's agenda as they come from the same oil coomunity. One in Kansas, and Pressler's Exxon in Houston.

Adrian Rogers SBC, the SBC of Ed McAteer and Jesse Helms is a playground for the Tea Party.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby ET » Fri May 23, 2014 3:21 pm

Sandy wrote:It's not the result that matters. It's the principle. Some of the heavy hitters have backed off since pouring money into the 2012 election that didn't go their way. But that's not the point. The point is that, regardless of its effectiveness at any particular time, it violates the constitutional principle of one person, one vote by creating an avenue of additional influence for a specific group of individuals which disenfranchises others who don't have the same influence. The basic constitutional principle at stake is one of protection of the rights of the minority, even a minority of one. The only way to do that is to either limit campaign contributions to an amount that everyone can afford, or eliminate them all together and confine the parameters of a campaign to a specific dollar amount designated from the tax fund.

But dollars don't vote. People do. No matter how much money the Koch brothers - or George Soros - spend, you get one vote, I get one vote.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby KeithE » Fri May 23, 2014 4:17 pm

ET wrote:
Sandy wrote:It's not the result that matters. It's the principle. Some of the heavy hitters have backed off since pouring money into the 2012 election that didn't go their way. But that's not the point. The point is that, regardless of its effectiveness at any particular time, it violates the constitutional principle of one person, one vote by creating an avenue of additional influence for a specific group of individuals which disenfranchises others who don't have the same influence. The basic constitutional principle at stake is one of protection of the rights of the minority, even a minority of one. The only way to do that is to either limit campaign contributions to an amount that everyone can afford, or eliminate them all together and confine the parameters of a campaign to a specific dollar amount designated from the tax fund.

But dollars don't vote. People do. No matter how much money the Koch brothers - or George Soros - spend, you get one vote, I get one vote.

Campaign finances, name recognition (that involves big bucks for media ads), and favorable media coverage all matter (quality of ideas secondary or tertiary). And there are great vote purging efforts in all states by the GOP (disproportionally affecting minorities/the poor who vote democratic) as well as gerrymandering.

It is not an accident that the average congressperson is a millionaire in terms of wealth (14x that of the average American).

You are right that leftists also spend money but not as aggressively as the rightists. A battle of rich people is not what an election should be. Citizens United and McCutheon SCOTUS rulings should be overruled by Constitutional Amendment imo.

I'm with Sandy on Campaign Finance Reform with Media funding (remember when a TV or radio station had to show they were spending on publicly beneficial matters to receive a broadcasting license - that ended with Reagan and Michael Powell). I suspect just the advertisement during the debates would cover their costs.
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Re: Bad night for tea party, Koch brothers

Postby Sandy » Fri May 23, 2014 8:42 pm

ET wrote:
Sandy wrote:It's not the result that matters. It's the principle. Some of the heavy hitters have backed off since pouring money into the 2012 election that didn't go their way. But that's not the point. The point is that, regardless of its effectiveness at any particular time, it violates the constitutional principle of one person, one vote by creating an avenue of additional influence for a specific group of individuals which disenfranchises others who don't have the same influence. The basic constitutional principle at stake is one of protection of the rights of the minority, even a minority of one. The only way to do that is to either limit campaign contributions to an amount that everyone can afford, or eliminate them all together and confine the parameters of a campaign to a specific dollar amount designated from the tax fund.

But dollars don't vote. People do. No matter how much money the Koch brothers - or George Soros - spend, you get one vote, I get one vote.


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