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The last month or so have had record breaking precip. for the Seattle area. Not this much rain in one month since I was a baby or before.

The gummit obviously wants apocalypse to be on its side in passing new regulations that will have no measurable effect on GW, this the latest effort. "Global warming" has lost its lustre. "Climate change" isn't getting the job done. So, let's try "extreme" weather events. Next comes famine, pestilence, war, and death. We just need some colored horses to accompany the reports.

1. This is about politics, namely new job killing regs and satisfying certain constituencies.
2. Gummit pours enough money into the GW industry to indirectly control it's products.
3. The US output of emissions is meaningless on a global scale and nothing we do will impact the alleged problem.
4. Scientists, God love 'em, are no less subject to group think than politicians or clergy.

Proudly, My flickonian best. Happy to help.

You're looking at this wrong, William. What we need is more wind and solar so that we can free up oil for fueling more vehicles. Cheaper gas means more driving at lower costs. That's why we need wind and solar. Our '98 4WD Suburban chews up a gallon in 12-15 miles, so it's quite painful to fill up it's 40 gallon tank before a road trip, although it is nice to be able to make it from Memphis to Roanoke without having to stop for gas.

Keith I admire your long suffering attempts to convince people of what is becoming obvious truth about climate change. I'm afraid Flick and William are beyong convincing. Oklahoma could turn into a desert and Georgia sink to the bottom of the ocean and you'd still convince neither of them that this isn't just some made up political gain. Have you ever thought about giving up on Climate debate on this forum? You have to get frustrated.

I don't buy the set-an-example approach. The Chinese and Indians are perfectly able to stop opening one coal fired power plant per week without looking to us.

You left out two words. "Insert "to Sandy" between "Sounds" and "like". Do that and I will agree 100%.

I guess I have a sense of the importance of property. William and ET, I am certain you would not like a de-regulated zoning model to allow someone to build a coal-fired steam plant without any emission stack scrubbers just downwind from your homes. It would certainly devalue whatever you have. Now to ownership--scripture is clear--"The earth is the Lord's." Since I am a tenant on his property, should I think it's alright to pollute, deface, and destroy what isn't mine to begin with?