The Rise and Fall of the Hockey Stick...

[David Flick]

[William Thornton]

The whole thing is suspect to me, climatological alchemy with the models etc.

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

[Sandy]

I've read enough and seen enough to know that credible scientific data supports the theory that global warming is occurring as a result of the greenhouse gas production of the industrial age, and that what "denialist" science exists is largely the product of paid propaganda produced by the interests whose god is money, and whose money might be affected by solutions to the problem. I think that's pretty clear, and easily discernible. Denying it is the result of buying into political preferences, and not much more than that, and is a position that a shrinking and relatively small minority of people actually still believe.

The real problems science faces now is whether or not the trends can be reversed, and the climate restored, and how to go about it.

[Haruo]

And how to go about it is not a question for "science". Even if the decision-making is restricted to "scientists" (however defined), the answer involves applied political science, which is a branch of engineering that intersects art.

[KeithE]

[KeithE]

and the CEI had their attempt to throw out the case refuted by the court.

It will get interesting. The ill-will, and slanderous speech of the data deniers are getting their due.

[David Flick]

[David Flick]

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

Meanwhile, here is the DATA (red line is projection - one that I do not buy into for certain; but the blue line is actual past paleoclimatic DATA measurements)




As for the Arctic Region which has seen the greatest global warming over the last 2000 years:

The blue line is paleoclimatic DATA from lake sediments, ice cores and tree rings proxies in this case. The red line is temperature measurements. Notice the overlap of agreement from Paleo data to temperature measurements in the 1900’s. Notice also the man-caused (imo and the opinion of 97% of global warming scientists) warming has overcome the natural downward trend.

Now you can believe that the recent “pause" in air temp will continue ad infinitum if you want (direct measurements are near constant over the last 11 years). But note that will be a bad enough with temperatures higher than the last peak ~5000 years ago and no one can rationally believe the ocean temps will stay constant.

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And on Baffin Island has shown the temperature there are higher than any period for at 44,000 years. Watch the video taken on Baffin Island.

David reacts to every cold spell with political malevolence.

As for Roy Spencer’s measurements, here is his DATA which shows a 0.132C/decade increase in lower atmospheric temperatures from satellite microwave measurements (i=demagnify your screen to read it all if necessary - Apple+- on an Mac, CTRL+- on PC).

which is actually a somewhat greater rate than the surface temperature measurements as analyzed by and over the same period (1979-2013). I have no problem with his DATA. I also have no problem with his stance on Intelligent Design.

As for Roy Spencer’s GW/CC analysis and public proclamations, here is and a flavor for his politics in .

Consider these plots before you puke on them!

[David Flick]

[KeithE]

Briefly because that’s all it deserves.

1. Joe Romm did not create the data on the plot. That was from the mean of all the paleoclimatic data (black line) of the Marcott paper and seen in this plot (already posted).


He may have added the projection in red (see below), but the upturn in the black line (blue line below) is what has demonstrated the truth of GW.

2. I’ve already demonstrated the 17+ years of what David calls “declining temps” is inaccurate to say the least. Read "first point” at . 11 years of level is accurate. If you have to stretch the truth, it shows you do not have much truth in you.

3. David's naivete at reading graphs or even understanding what data is being plotted is showing AGAIN.
This plot is paleoclimatic data representative of surface air temp (for now, ignore the red projection which is projection not past measurements)

While Spencer’s data is the lower tropospheric air temps (but the trends do seem to follow with surface air).


Spencer’s data is for 34 years while the paleoclimatic plot above is about 11000 years. If we were to plot Spencer’s data on the paleoclimatic timescale it would look like a hockey stick as well and certainly not “the opposite of Romm’s two graphs above” (actually the second plot is not by Romm). You say the most incredibly inaccurate things David.

4. You made my point about “reacting to every cold spell with political malevolence” when you posted Huntsville’s temp this morning.

5. Don’t hang the anti-graph/DATA pukey keyboard tripe on ; she just didn’t want your puked over keyboards. It was who expressed his dislike of graphs/DATA and got a chuckle over it. I would hate graphs/DATA as well if I held William’s or David’s viewpoints.


I guess I cannot do anything “briefly”.

[David Flick]

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[KeithE]

Thanks for the warning. I'll take heed. You might as well add it to your byline.

[David Flick]

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