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Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:37 pm
by Stephen Fox ... the-scenes

This thread will complement the Predatory lending thread.

Hubbard is Bama House Speaker and wrote a book bragging about how voter suppression and a draconian immigration bill, The Republican Handshake helped him capture the Bama house for the Tea Party GOP with the aid of Albert Lee Smith's Widow and Steve Gaines former influential member at FBC Gardendale, Scott Beason.

See public policy here at this site.

Mark Wilson directs the Auburn Living Democracy Project and chaired the pulpit committee that brought new pastor Tripp Martin to the Plains. Gregg Easterbrook talks about Hubbard in his new book on football. Also see my several recent blogs on Hubbard at

Remedial education for Mike Hubbard

PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:15 pm
by Stephen Fox

NYTIMES expose on Bama's Mike Hubbard

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:30 pm
by Stephen Fox ... f=politics

Hubbard conspires strategy with Albert Lee Smith's widow Eunie, and Steve Gaines former parishioner at FBC Gardendale, Scott Beason who worked with Kris Kobach for the Bama Immigration bill of 2011 Duke Chaplain and Bama UMC Bishop Will Willimon likened to the Fugitive Slave Law

Re: Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:33 pm
by Sandy
To the moderator: I do not see what this series of posts has to do with the New Baptist Covenant. I don't have a problem discussing Mike Hubbard, in the appropriate thread and topic, but this same stuff gets spread all over the board.

Re: Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:22 am
by Haruo
I think you're right, Sandy, and I've moved it to Politics and Public Policy Issues. On Bruce's behalf.

Re: Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:17 am
by Sandy
Seems that there are a lot of problems of the kind that Hubbard is experiencing cropping up among conservative Republican candidates going back to 2010, and perhaps beyond. ... 437.php#/0 ... r-pac-sofa ... 56984.html ... ce-system/

Re: Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:44 am
by KeithE
Thank you Sandy and Haruo.

2 issues here - Mike Hubbard and ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council).

I will assume that Mike Hubbard is getting his due in the Lee County Grand Jury exploring his activities (90+ allegations). I’m sure you will be able to read about that at the Alabama Political Reporter and at Alabamians Annoyed with Mike Hubbard once the Grand Jury is finished. Hubbard may very well be in the grasp of ALEC, I’m not sure. He is not ALEC point person in Alabama (Mary Sue McClurkin - R is).

But the larger issue is ALEC who has been doing corporate bidding through the state legislatures throughout the USA since 1973 (growing ever stronger as the years go by). ALEC is to the USA what the 600 TPP corporate “negotiators” are to the whole Pacific region.

I know many of you are probably rolling your eyes, but please read and understand ALEC EXPOSED as well as Wikipedia’s more restrained article.

Through the corporate-funded American Legislative Exchange Council, global corporations and state politicians vote behind closed doors to try to rewrite state laws that govern your rights. These so-called "model bills" reach into almost every area of American life and often directly benefit huge corporations.

Here is ALEC Exposed FAQs:

What is ALEC?

ALEC is not a lobby; it is not a front group. It is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, behind closed doors, corporations hand state legislators the changes to the law they desire that directly benefit their bottom line. Along with legislators, corporations have membership in ALEC. Corporations sit on all nine ALEC task forces and vote with legislators to approve “model” bills. They have their own corporate governing board which meets jointly with the legislative board. (ALEC says that corporations do not vote on the board.) Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. Participating legislators, overwhelmingly conservative Republicans, then bring those proposals home and introduce them in statehouses across the land as their own brilliant ideas and important public policy innovations—without disclosing that corporations crafted and voted on the bills. ALEC boasts that it has over 1,000 of these bills introduced by legislative members every year, with one in every five of them enacted into law. ALEC describes itself as a “unique,” “unparalleled” and “unmatched” organization. We agree. It is as if a state legislature had been reconstituted, yet corporations had pushed the people out the door.

Who funds ALEC?

More than 98% of ALEC's revenues come from sources other than legislative dues, such as corporations, corporate trade groups, and corporate foundations. Each corporate member pays an annual fee of between $7,000 and $25,000 a year, and if a corporation participates in any of the nine task forces, additional fees apply, from $2,500 to $10,000 each year. ALEC also receives direct grants from corporations, such as $1.4 million from ExxonMobil from 1998-2009. It has also received grants from some of the biggest foundations funded by corporate CEOs in the country, such as: the Koch family Charles G. Koch Foundation, the Koch-managed Claude R. Lambe Foundation, the Scaife family Allegheny Foundation, the Coors family Castle Rock Foundation, to name a few. Less than 2% of ALEC’s funding comes from “Membership Dues” of $50 per year paid by state legislators, a steeply discounted price that may run afoul of state gift bans. For more, see CMD's special report on ALEC funding and spending here.

Is it nonpartisan as claimed?

ALEC describes itself as a non-partisan, non-profit organization. The facts show that it currently has one Democrat out of 104 legislators in leadership positions. ALEC members, speakers, alumni, and award winners are a “who’s who” of the extreme right. ALEC has given awards to: Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, George H.W. Bush, Charles and David Koch, Richard de Vos, Tommy Thompson, Gov. John Kasich, Gov. Rick Perry, Congressman Mark Foley (intern sex scandal), and Congressman Billy Tauzin. ALEC alumni include: Speaker of the House John Boehner, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Congressman Joe Wilson, (who called President Obama a “liar” during the State of the Union address), former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, former House Speaker Tom DeLay, Andrew Card, Donald Rumsfeld (1985 Chair of ALEC’s Business Policy Board), Governor Scott Walker, Governor Jan Brewer, and more. Featured speakers have included: Milton Friedman, Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, Dan Quayle, George Allen, Jessie Helms, Pete Coors, Governor Mitch Daniels and more.

What goes on behind closed doors?

The organization boasts 2,000 legislative members and 300 or more corporate members. The unelected corporate representatives (often registered lobbyists) sit as equals with elected representatives on nine task forces where they have a “voice and a vote” on model legislation. Corporations on ALEC task forces VOTE on the "model" bills and resolutions, and sit as equals with legislators voting on the ALEC task forces and various working groups. Corporate and legislative governing boards also meet jointly each year. (ALEC says only the legislators have a final say on all model bills. ALEC has previously said that "The policies are debated and voted on by all members. Public and private members vote separately on policy. It is important to note that laws are not passed, debated or adopted during this process and therefor no lobbying takes place. That process is done at the state legislature.") The long-term representation of Koch Industries on the governing board means that Koch has had influence over an untold number of ALEC bills. Due to the questionable nature of this partnership with corporations, legislators rarely discuss the origins of the model legislation they bring home. Though thousands of ALEC-approved model bills have been publicly introduced across the country, ALEC’s role facilitating the language in the bills and the corporate vote for them is not well known.
(ALEC legislators sometimes compare the organization to the National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL), yet the two organizations could not be more different. NCSL has zero corporate members. It is funded largely by state government appropriations and conference fees; it has a truly bipartisan governance structure, and there is a large role for nonpartisan professional staff; it does not vote on or promote model legislation; meetings are public and so are any agreed upon documents. Corporations do sponsor receptions at NCSL events through a separate foundation. For more information, see the document ALEC & NCSL.)

How do corporations benefit?

Although ALEC claims to take an ideological stance (of supposedly "Jeffersonian principles of free markets, limited government, federalism, and individual liberty"), many of the model bills benefit the corporations whose agents write them, shape them, and/or vote to approve them. These are just a few such measures:
Altria/Philip Morris USA benefits from ALEC’s newest tobacco legislation -- an extremely narrow tax break for moist tobacco that would make fruit flavored tobacco products cheaper and more attractive to youngsters.
Health insurance companies such as Humana and Golden Rule Insurance (United Healthcare), benefit directly from ALEC model bills, such as the Health Savings Account bill that just passed in Wisconsin.
Tobacco firms such as Reynolds and pharmaceutical firms such as Bayer benefit directly from ALEC tort reform measures that make it harder for Americans to sue when injured by dangerous products.
Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) benefits directly from the anti-immigrant legislation introduced in Arizona and other states that requires expanded incarceration and housing of immigrants, along with other bills from ALEC’s crime task force. (While CCA has stated that it left ALEC in late 2010 after years of membership on the Criminal Justice Task Force and even co-chairing it, its prison privatization bills remain ALEC "models.")
Connections Academy, a large online education corporation and co-chair of the Education Task Force, benefits from ALEC measures to privatize public education and promote private on-line schools.

How do legislators benefit?

Why would a legislator be interested in advancing cookie-cutter bills that are corporate give-aways for global firms located outside of their district? ALEC’s appeal rests largely on the fact that legislators receive an all-expenses-paid trip that provides many part-time legislators with vacations that they could not afford on their own, along with the opportunity to rub shoulders with wealthy captains of industry (major prospective out-of-state donors to their political campaigns). For a few hours of work on a task force and a couple of indoctrination sessions by ALEC experts, part-time legislators can bring the whole family to ALEC’s annual convention, work for a few hours, then stay in swank hotels, attend cool parties -- even strip clubs-- and raise funds for the campaign coffer, all heavily subsidized by the corporate till. In 2009, ALEC spent $251,873 on childcare so mom and dad could have fun.

Is it lobbying?

In most ordinary people's view, handing bills to legislators so they can introduce them is the very definition of lobbying. ALEC says "no lobbying takes place." The current chairman of ALEC’s corporate board is W. Preston Baldwin III, until recently a lobbyist and the Vice President of State Government Affairs at UST Inc., a tobacco firm now owned by Altria/Phillip Morris USA. Altria is advancing a very short, specific bill to change the way moist tobacco products (such as fruit flavored “snus”) are taxed-- to make it cheaper and more attractive to young tobacco users according to health experts. In fact, 20 of the 24 corporate representatives on ALEC’s “Private Enterprise Board” are lobbyists representing major firms such as Koch Industries, Bayer, GlaxoSmithKline, Wal-Mart and Johnson and Johnson.
ALEC makes old-fashioned lobbying obsolete. Once legislators return to their state with corporate-sponsored ALEC legislation in hand, the legislators themselves become “super-lobbyists” for ALEC’s corporate agenda, cutting out the middleman. Yet ALEC enjoys a 501(c)(3) classification, which allows it to keep its tax-exempt status while accepting grants from foundations, corporations, and other donors. In our view, the activities that corporate members engage in should be considered lobbying by the IRS, and the entity that facilitates that effort to influence state law, ALEC, should also be considered to be engaged predominantly in lobby-related activities, not simply “educational” activities. Re-classifying ALEC as primarily engaged in lobbying facilitation would mean that donations to it would not count as tax-deductible for businesses and foundations. Common Cause filed a complaint with the IRS on July 14, 2011, setting forth evidence supporting its complaint that ALEC is engaged in lobbying despite its claims to do no lobbying.

Is it legal?

ALEC’s operating model raises many ethical and legal concerns. Each state has a different set of ethics laws or rules. The presence of lobbyists alone may cause ethics problems for some state legislators. Wisconsin, for instance, generally requires legislators who go to events with registered lobbyists to pay on their own dime, yet in many states, legislators use public funds to attend ALEC meetings. According to one study, $3 million in public funds was spent to attend ALEC meetings in one year. Some legislators use their personal funds and are reimbursed by ALEC. Such “scholarships” may be disclosed if gifts are required to be reported. But should the legislators be allowed to accept this money when lobbyists are present at the meeting? Still other legislators use their campaign funds to go and are again reimbursed by ALEC; in some states, campaign funds are only allowed to be used to attend campaign events.
In short, many state ethics codes might consider the free vacation, steeply discounted membership fees, free day care or travel scholarships to be “gifts” that should be disallowed or disclosed.

Underlines mine.

Democracy has been perverted to say the least. Corporations, not the people, rule the roost. Think about it - how many laws that the public really wants
are being addressed yet alone passed?

I do despair for our county and world, but a populist movement can overcome all! I do note that several non-profit and “think tank” groups (e.g. AARP, and many SPN members following the Center for Media and Democracy’s Nov 2013 report) have terminated their membership. As have several big name corporate sponsors after the Trayvon Martin icident.
More than 60 corporations and foundations including Wendy's, Kraft Foods, McDonald's,, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Apple, Procter & Gamble, Walmart, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and the medical insurance group Blue Cross and Blue Shield dropped support of ALEC in the ensuing weeks or let their memberships lapse.

There is reason for hope.

But the corporate-conservative cabal has hijacked much of the nation. I know there are many well meaning conservatives out there who support ALEC, but I doubt they know the facts about the self-serving nature of ALEC corporations.

Re: Check out Keiths source

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:39 pm
by Ed Pettibone
See post below.

Re: Check out Keith's source

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:43 pm
by Ed Pettibone

Re: Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:54 pm
by KeithE
Here’s the CMD’s article from a former TPP negotiator: Partnership or Putsch?.

Re: Mike Hubbard and Alec

PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:27 am
by Mrs Haruo
:( :brick: :censored: Makes me mighty sad to see my home and native land being poured right down the toilet.

Hubbard chat appropriate for Covenant

PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:37 am
by Stephen Fox
I don't think Lee Saunders has attended a Covenant gathering. If he has, he would know like Bruce Gourley there are several breakout sessions and workshops. As what Hubbard is about is a threat to the Best of the Baptist Tradition on church state matters and how Hubbard specializes in carrying on an Albert Lee Smith/Jesse Helms agenda, then this discussion is most appropriate for the Covenant community and I spotlighted it here in hopes leading folks planning for the next gathering would be aware and consider having a panel of Cynthia Tucker and Wayne Flynt to explore the matter further.

I bet Sandy and Gourley would be surprised at what attention such a workshop at a Covenant gathering would attract.

Therefore please release this thread to play out here in the Covenant Room


Mike Hubbard on trip to National Championship

PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:02 pm
by Stephen Fox
Quoting hubbard from his facebook wall:

Gerald Robinson: My family and I flew to California on a Southwest flight and I paid for everything out of my pocket with personal funds. While there, I also met with the CEO of a company we are recruiting to build a new facility in Alabama. This was done at my personal expense as well. The taxpayers did not spend a dime on me or my family. I assure you that my decision to be involved in public service results in great personal and professional sacrifice. My family certainly sacrifices. Perhaps you should consider offering your time and resources to serve instead of worrying about how I financed my family's trip to California. The time would be more productive, I assure you.

Mike Hubbard's Tea Party and Common Core

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:35 pm
by Stephen Fox
Over the weekend here is what's playing in Bama courtesy of Hubbard storming the statehouse. This comes a few days after Hubbard announced on his facebook wall his son Clayte is going to Furman to play golf. Hubbard is a native of Hartwell Ga. ... =home_news