More Republican Hypocrisy

[Sandy]

Here is what I am doing:

When I get an email, I respond with copies to several friends who enjoy detailed research. One is the Secretary for our local Democratic Party, another is a serious researcher with several degrees, another is a serious retired Baptist minister.

Every time the rascal sends stuff, it gets a review and, thus far, total anihalation when reviewed over factual accuracy. He has not gotten the message, nor do I expect him to change his political position.

The more we expose the lies and distrotion far and wide, the more people have to consider just how accurate it is.

This will be the most vicious campaign ever fought. The outcome dictates whether we go back to the party and policies which gave us this Recession. Democrats must deal with welfare and Republicans with warfare. Some who have the guts to once more be Statesman have to start working together for the common good---or we are all going to be riding trains looking for work or standing in soup kitchen lines!

A vote against abortion is a vote for economic recovery. A whole generation of more than 60 million Americans and 2 million Australians have been destroyed. When you genocide whole generations of your people, it's going to destroy your nation economically.
Economies are people driven, there is no economic growth without population growth. There will be no entrepreneurs or tax payers enough to support the aging and ailing population, if they have been thrown into the ovens.

God has already sent the solution to Americas problems, but it was murdered in the womb and thrown into the fire.

The vote isn't about republican or democrat, it is about Life or Death. That is the only vote.

So how do you vote "against abortion"? We were told that a vote for Ronnie Reagan was a vote against abortion, and he did worse than nothing about it, he appointed two Supreme Court justices who were committed to keeping it happening, and a "swing judge" who always voted against overturning Roe V. Wade. Then we were told that George H.W. Bush was committed to ending abortion on demand. He wasn't, and in fact, increased the court's pro-choice majority by one. Then we were told that George W. Bush was committed to ending abortion on demand, even though the justices on the Texas supreme court who were swept in on his coat-tails overturned the parental consent law in Texas, and abortion was as legal there when he abandoned the governor's office as it ever was, and he never got around to doing anything about it when he was president, though he had a chance to change the Supreme Court to majority pro-life. But he never got around to that either.

The Republican party is not only not committed to ending abortion on demand, it will continue to put up candidates who will lie through their teeth about what they are going to do. Might as well vote to re-elect the President. At least he will be the better choice from an economic perspective. The social issues are DOA with the Republicans. The Democrats, at least, don't promise anything on that front. That's better than having the GOP lie about their position.

[Ed Pettibone]

Ed: Matto I am convinced that when you say "A whole generation of more than 60 million Americans and 2 million Australians have been destroyed. " you are letting your preset bias show. If indeed there where 60 million Americans and 2 million Australians fetuses aborted in a given period of time in our two countries, they represented a small percentage of the total pregnancies during the same period of time, thus it was not a "Whole generation of either Americans or Australians destroyed".

[Gene Scarborough]

Single issue people always get their pants in a wad when they don't get their way.

You can't legislate morality and abortion is a very personal choice which women should be discussing---not men!!!

[Ed Pettibone]

Single issue people always get their pants in a wad when they don't get their way.

You can't legislate morality and abortion is a very personal choice which women should be discussing---not men!!!

Ed; and Gene why should men not be discussing abortion. If a man where not involved, even if just as a sperm donor there would be nothing to abort. I would agree that the ultimate decision must be the woman's, given she is of age and of sound mind.

And yes you can legislate morality, the question if you do so is, do you want to hassle with enforcement. A point to consider is that it may be a way of creating jobs.

[Gene Scarborough]

The abolitionists could not stop people from drinking despite their new law. The same is true with abortion. If you try to legislate it away, then it goes to back rooms and horror for women who do not want to carry a baby to term.

Why is it men pontificate so much about it and don't have to deliver that child in pain and suffering and often leave much of the parenting to the mother.

[Matto]

You can't legislate morality and abortion is a very personal choice which women should be discussing---not men!!!

Abortion isn't a personal choice, it destroys society, so the public has every right to stop women from murdering their babies. There are more than 60 million Americans missing from the economy, that is why America is going to collapse.

The economy is never going to get better whilst a million babies a year are thrown into the ovens.

Murder is not a private affair, it effects all society, especially when it is on this horrendous industrial scale.

[Matto]

If you try to legislate it away, then it goes to back rooms and horror for women who do not want to carry a baby to term.

Well it should be difficult and dangerous to kill babies, not made easy.

[Haruo]

The abolitionists could not stop people from drinking despite their new law...

The prohibitionists had a similar problem with slavery...

[Matto]

Ed: Matto I am convinced that when you say "A whole generation of more than 60 million Americans and 2 million Australians have been destroyed. " you are letting your preset bias show. If indeed there where 60 million Americans and 2 million Australians fetuses aborted in a given period of time in our two countries, they represented a small percentage of the total pregnancies during the same period of time, thus it was not a "Whole generation of either Americans or Australians destroyed".

From 1973 to 2006 that's a 33 year period 54.5 million babies were murdered in the US. That works out to about 65 million babies killed in a generation, of 40 years.

What is 65 million as a percentage of Americas population. Between 20 to 25 % of Americas population is missing in just the last 40 years.
There should be 65 million more people in the United States between 0 and 40 years of age. That's 65 million more young and productive consumers and taxpayers. America needs these people to pay for the aging population.

America has aborted it's future and thrown it in the ovens.

[Mrs Haruo]

It should be difficult and dangerous to MAKE babies. My father never knew his mother to NOT be pregnant or nursing the most recent younger sibling till he left for college. She miscarried several, the doctor came out of the delivery room and asked "Who do I save, the baby or the mother?" to Grandpa before my youngest aunt was born, but she barely remembers her mother, who died from a stroke when she was 3. Women shouldn't be expected to wear themselves out to get their reward in heaven, but her church has some pretty weird theology. If this is the world the Republican party wants us to have, I say no thanks.

[Matto]

It should be difficult and dangerous to MAKE babies.

Babies aren't the problem, they are the solution.

[Mrs Haruo]

Who will feed all these babies? Are you going to wash all the diapers Matto? You going to walk miles to the all night pharmacy when the medicine runs out for an ear infection and you don't have a car and the buses quit running?

[Matto]

Who will feed all these babies? Are you going to wash all the diapers Matto? You going to walk miles to the all night pharmacy when the medicine runs out for an ear infection and you don't have a car and the buses quit running?

What?

[Matto]

It should be difficult and dangerous to MAKE babies. My father never knew his mother to NOT be pregnant or nursing the most recent younger sibling till he left for college. She miscarried several, the doctor came out of the delivery room and asked "Who do I save, the baby or the mother?" to Grandpa before my youngest aunt was born, but she barely remembers her mother, who died from a stroke when she was 3. , but her church has some pretty weird theology. If this is the world the Republican party wants us to have, I say no thanks.

Women shouldn't be expected to wear themselves out to get their reward in heaven

Well I think they should, the same with men. Self sacrifice is the only thing that advances the world to be a better place. We are here because of a huge amount of self sacrifice that has come before us.

Suffering and self sacrifice for the greater good should be the accepted norm I think, otherwise people start thinking their life is about them, and their needs. That's the way I view it.

[Matto]

Mary has said to the visionaries at medjugorje that the sin of abortion is drawing down a great punishment on the world, that mankind has never seen before.
As other visionaries have said the living will envy the dead when this punishment comes.

So many now have dead consciences, such that have embraced the killing of babies deep in their souls, and they think it right and good and just. That is how cold and dead they are.

The world is about to be shaken out of it's sleep.

[Haruo]

Suffering and self sacrifice for the greater good should be the accepted norm I think, otherwise people start thinking their life is about them, and their needs. That's the way I view it.

I'm curious about your own lifestyle, Matto. What do you do when you're not busy slaving away on the internet? Do you truly see what you are doing here as self-sacrificial behavior similar to that of, say, Mother Teresa?

[Haruo]

I am reminded of the place in the scriptures where Jesus is talking to the 99% and says, "Come unto me all ye that are underemployed, and I will overwork you, for my yoke is heavy and my burden is dark." Now where was that passage?

[Sandy]

I see that Matto avoided answering my question. How do you "vote against" abortion? Voting for Republicans doesn't work.

[Matto]

I see that Matto avoided answering my question. How do you "vote against" abortion? Voting for Republicans doesn't work.

It's an easy question. You vote for the lesser of two evils. Republicans have a far more hostile stance to abortion. They are advocating the defunding of planned parenthood, which is the biggest abortion provider in the US.

Compare that to the Democrats record on increasing abortion funding for planned parenthood, and the contrast is marked.

When you can't get a total ban on an evil, you vote for the lesser of two evils, and you keep voting for the lesser of two evils until the total abolishing of the evil is in sight and finally won.

Future generations will look back and ask how the people of our time could be so cold and inhuman to allow the murder so many millions of innocent babies.

[Dave Roberts]

When you can't get a total ban on an evil, you vote for the lesser of two evils, and you keep voting for the lesser of two evils until the total abolishing of the evil is in sight and finally won.

If I read you correctly, then you are saying that all ethics are situational ethics. No absolutes are then present when you can't obtain what you see as the absolute good.

[Matto]

Suffering and self sacrifice for the greater good should be the accepted norm I think, otherwise people start thinking their life is about them, and their needs. That's the way I view it.

I'm curious about your own lifestyle, Matto. What do you do when you're not busy slaving away on the internet? Do you truly see what you are doing here as self-sacrificial behavior similar to that of, say, Mother Teresa?

Mother Teresa who I knew warned of a greater poverty than the one she worked against, that was the poverty most prevalent in the rich western world.

People have lost their sense of sin, they make compromises with it, and justify it. Their perception of God is veiled, until they do not know who they serve.

The sacrifice I make is of reparation for those who are blind and I pour it three times over on Gods Altar.

Whilst the priests of Baal sacrifice innocent infants to him, I oppose them.

"You have abandoned the Lord’s commands and have followed Baals"

"How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”

Christians do not follow Baal, they can not say they are for the Lord, and allow the sacrifices to Baal. The priests of Baal sacrificed infants placing them in his red hot bronze hands, today's priests of Baal place babies in the hands of the abortionist then thrown them into the ovens. The holocaust of infants old and new.

No Christian can sanction the murder of babies, people must choose between Gods command or Baals.

"The god who answers by fire—he is God.”

God will answer by fire, the blood countless millions of innocent babies cries out for justice.

[Matto]

When you can't get a total ban on an evil, you vote for the lesser of two evils, and you keep voting for the lesser of two evils until the total abolishing of the evil is in sight and finally won.

If I read you correctly, then you are saying that all ethics are situational ethics. No absolutes are then present when you can't obtain what you see as the absolute good.

I'm saying that when the only choice is between two, you choose the lesser evil of the two. The defunding of planned parenthood and defunding foreign abortion projects is a real victory, but victory can be built on victory, until abortion is abolished. If the democrats stay in power they will maintain abortion funding or increase it.

The absolute is to have less abortion until there is no abortion, because the moral absolute is that abortion is murder and evil.

[Matto]

The Republican party is not only not committed to ending abortion on demand, it will continue to put up candidates who will lie through their teeth about what they are going to do. Might as well vote to re-elect the President.

Your president has voted against the born alive Bill, which says that he would let a baby that survives abortion, be left for dead.
He was the only person to vote for this horrific outcome, no one else even contemplated it.

If he can do that to a baby alone struggling for life and heaving for air, he is capable of doing anything.

Voting for monsters is never a good idea, it will only come back to bite you eventually.

[Matto]

I'm curious about your own lifestyle, Matto. What do you do when you're not busy slaving away on the internet?

Fishing mostly, but some hunting as well. I've taken 3 months off to do some things I've always wanted to do.

[Stephen Fox]

They differ on abortion.

Lets move on