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Is Homeland Security Violating Civil Rights?

Postby Gene Scarborough » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:10 pm

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/341-193/11875-supreme-court-rejects-case-on-alleged-torture-of-us-citizen

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday announced that it would not review a lawsuit against former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other government officials for their alleged roles in the detention and torture of a U.S. citizen.

"The Supreme Court's refusal to consider Jose Padilla's case leaves in place a blank check for government officials to commit any abuse in the name of national security, even the brutal torture of an American citizen in an American prison," said Ben Wizner, the ACLU's lead counsel on the case. "To date, not a single victim of the Bush administration's torture regime has received his day in court. It is precisely the role of the courts to ensure that allegations of grave misconduct by executive Branch officials receive fair adjudication. That vital role does not evaporate simply because those officials insist that their actions are too sensitive for judicial review."

Padilla, a convicted terrorist, had sued Rumsfeld and other U.S. officials over his alleged torture at the naval base, but a district court judge granted Rumsfeld immunity and dismissed the case, Padilla v. Rumsfeld. In April, Padilla's mother and the ACLU asked the U.S. Supreme Court to reinstate the lawsuit.

"Tell me where in the Constitution it says that torturing Americans is acceptable," Estela Lebron, Padilla's mother, said. "You don't even treat an animal the way my son was treated. If they can do this to Jose, they can do it to anyone. I'm going to continue fighting until justice has been done for my son."


This is scary to me! Some years ago I read a similar story in the Reader's Digest. It told of a foreign visitor in NYC getting arrested as he photographed buildings. One of the arresting officers took an interest in the aftermath and found him behind bars and not charged for weeks. Without his interest in the case, the man would likely still be behind bars!

Are we doing things since 9/11 which endanger the due process provisions of our Constitution? :?
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Re: Is Homeland Security Violating Civil Rights?

Postby Haruo » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:42 pm

Sorry, Gene, I forget to answer your question. Of course "we" are. Of course, I don't dare get too specific for fear we might arrest me.
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Re: Is Homeland Security Violating Civil Rights?

Postby Haruo » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:44 pm

I was almost run over by a Homeland Security cop a few weeks ago, for no apparent reason. I had the feeling he was just venting.
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Re: Is Homeland Security Violating Civil Rights?

Postby Gene Scarborough » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:59 pm

Typically, I think of the problem more in places like NYC with it's Middle Eastern residents. There are many in Atlanta and even some in Rocky Mount.

I know I was arrested while chasing Hurricane Katrina in Mobile. A customer owed me money. There is a statute on the Alabama laws books making such a class 3 felony, but I had the out-of-state driver's liscense. My cell phone was confiscated. My money was taken and they would not let me post bail when money was in my billfold for such. My wife thought I was dead for a week. My civil rights were badly violated, but the FBI nor the local paper showed any interest in my story of abuse at the hands of law enforcement.

I was in jail with any number of men who had more integrity than those wearing the uniform. Until you feel the sting of law gone brutal, you assume we live in a land of freedom. "Come to Mobile on vacation / leave on probation"--how I wish I had known it before going there!
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Re: Is Homeland Security Violating Civil Rights?

Postby Matto » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:32 pm

Gene Scarborough wrote:Typically, I think of the problem more in places like NYC with it's Middle Eastern residents. There are many in Atlanta and even some in Rocky Mount.

I know I was arrested while chasing Hurricane Katrina in Mobile. A customer owed me money. There is a statute on the Alabama laws books making such a class 3 felony, but I had the out-of-state driver's liscense. My cell phone was confiscated. My money was taken and they would not let me post bail when money was in my billfold for such. My wife thought I was dead for a week. My civil rights were badly violated, but the FBI nor the local paper showed any interest in my story of abuse at the hands of law enforcement.

I was in jail with any number of men who had more integrity than those wearing the uniform. Until you feel the sting of law gone brutal, you assume we live in a land of freedom. "Come to Mobile on vacation / leave on probation"--how I wish I had known it before going there!


When the police become lawless, they become irrelevant, then it is up to the people to enforce their rights, as Jefferson pointed out.
I see this coming to soon to America, it's just an inevitable consequence of a lawless police force.

The British government was tyrannical and their policing was brutal, until the colonists no longer tolerated it. When the British ceased to be a public good, they became a public menace.
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Re: Is Homeland Security Violating Civil Rights?

Postby Gene Scarborough » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:13 am

What was most interesting to me about Mobile was that large churches of all denominations exist there. They are so large and well-attended that off duty cops direct traffic.

The dichotomy of the racial issues and one-sided enforcement of law is glaring. Their Sheriff, at the time, had a food budget for jails and whatever he did not spend, he kept. What they served was of less quality than what my grandaddy used to slop his hogs; freezer burned outdated hot dogs, for example. It was another insult to the people housed in their jail. On top of that the incarcerated people worked to do maintenance on landscape areas of the city for free. They same money on their slave labor that way. Their city jail was overcrowded and infested with lice and vermin to the point I was asked to disinfect every hairy part of my body when I was transferred to the County facility.

I was told that many regular citizens end up in jail. If 2 businessmen get into some dispute, one or the other ends up in jail! In other words, their jails are a way of forcing someone to give up his argument and possibly get screwed in some deal.

I have lived in NC,SC, and GA. Never have I seen such abuse of the law in my part of the south. I am told it only gets worse as you move toward Texas along the Gulf Coast. The Gulf pirates used to settle there when they tired of the ships. They definitely brought their scull duggery with them!

Another man I met upon my return told me whenever his company had work there, they retained a local lawyer before going. Is this the future for America with Homeland Security abuses? :?
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