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Holding William Barr in contempt

Postby Rvaughn » Thu May 16, 2019 12:01 pm

Democrats showing contempt by holding William Barr in contempt, by Jonathan Turley
The House Judiciary Committee is voting to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress and to secure a vote of the entire House of Representatives in order to send the matter to federal court. The problem is that the contempt action against Barr is long on action and short on contempt. Indeed, with a superficial charge, the House could seriously undermine its credibility in the ongoing conflicts with the White House. Congress is right on a number of complaints against the White House, including possible cases of contempt, but this is not one of them.

As someone who has represented the House of Representatives, my concern is that this one violates a legal version of the Hippocratic oath to “first do no harm.” This could do great harm, not to Barr, but to the House. It is the weakest possible case to bring against the administration, and likely to be an example of a bad case making bad law for the House.
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Re: Holding William Barr in contempt

Postby Sandy » Thu May 16, 2019 1:57 pm

https://www.vox.com/2019/5/8/18536874/c ... lliam-barr

I'm having trouble gathering sympathy for Mr. Barr in accordance with what The Hill piece is trying to spin. He was ordered by subpoena to appear before Congress. He skipped out. They also ordered the full unredacted report and didn't get that. I'm sure that's what they're after, especially since Trump is also trying to stop that by asserting executive privilege. Articles of impeachment were drafted on Nixon for the same thing and he wound up resigning just a few days later.

Without the full, unredacted report, there is no way to know whether Barr lied in his summation of it, or not. There is obviously something in it that Trump does not want known. You don't go to the lengths that the white house has undertaken to try and manipulate the investigation and keep the information out of the public eye if you've behaved and done nothing wrong. And Mueller did not say there wasn't enough evidence on obstruction to charge Trump, he noted that he did not believe a sitting President could be indicted. That Trump obstructed justice is obvious, beginning with the firing of James Comey. If you believe his lies about that, then I'm running a sale for you on oceanfront property in Arizona.
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Re: Holding William Barr in contempt

Postby Rvaughn » Thu May 16, 2019 2:20 pm

I lean toward the assessment of a law professor whom Congress has called on to testify before it as an expert witness on a number of occasions, over a reporter for Vox. It is not a matter of gathering sympathy for Barr. It is a matter of choosing one's battles.
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Re: Holding William Barr in contempt

Postby KeithE » Thu May 16, 2019 4:17 pm

Rvaughn wrote:Democrats showing contempt by holding William Barr in contempt, by Jonathan Turley
The House Judiciary Committee is voting to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress and to secure a vote of the entire House of Representatives in order to send the matter to federal court. The problem is that the contempt action against Barr is long on action and short on contempt. Indeed, with a superficial charge, the House could seriously undermine its credibility in the ongoing conflicts with the White House. Congress is right on a number of complaints against the White House, including possible cases of contempt, but this is not one of them.

As someone who has represented the House of Representatives, my concern is that this one violates a legal version of the Hippocratic oath to “first do no harm.” This could do great harm, not to Barr, but to the House. It is the weakest possible case to bring against the administration, and likely to be an example of a bad case making bad law for the House.

I certainly agree the greatest contempt of Congress should be levied against the greatest Congressional stonewaller ever - DJT informing Congress yesterday that his administration will not cooperate with Congress (Barr, Mnuchin, DJT Jr., Mueller?, Wray, McGhan, Pompeo. Shanahan, Bolton, ....)
May 15 letter
Although he (or his lackey lawyers) attempt to justify this 'we will not cooperate letter’, it is clearly anti-constitutional. He is not above law or the dictator he believes he is.

This neutering of Congressional authority is a very large Constitutional Crisis!

Barr’s contempt is apparent - his perjurious* failure to honestly answer questions about what DJT instructions to him were (to Kamala Harris for one) and the advanced reading of the Mueller Report he gave the president. He deserves contempt but DJT deserves it much more.

* He pledge to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

On a similar vein, why is Michael Cohen in jail now and DJT still free to be president no less.
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Re: Holding William Barr in contempt

Postby Sandy » Sat May 18, 2019 9:51 am

I think the effort that the house committees are making now is leading to a coordinated move to answer the questions left open by the Mueller report and all of these guys will have to show up and testify. What is clear is that Trump and his cronies are pretty sure that if an investigation continues based on what Mueller found, which was exactly the whole point of the investigation, they are going to find out everything they've done. Judging by their stonewalling, the obfuscation of the results of the report to get ahead of it on public opinion by Barr and who they are running around trying to stop from appearing before Congress, it must be pretty bad. I'm sure they have already put it together, they've got the pile of evidence from the Manafort raid and Cohen's office and the redacted report shows a lot more than Barr has alluded to. The only thing the Trump campaign's effort tells me is that the investigation was exactly on the right track and they don't want it to continue because they know where it will go and what it will find.
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