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2020 Democrats...

Postby William Thornton » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:53 am

...it's not too early.

I was amused by Camille Paglia's rundown of some possible candidates:

Bernie and Biden: "way too old and creaky."
Gillibrand: "a wobbly mediocrity"
Booker: "all the gravitas of a cork"
Warren: "has never had a snowball’s chance in hell to appeal beyond upper-middle-class professionals of her glossy stripe."
Kamala: "already imprinted an image of herself as a ruthless inquisitor that will make it hard for her to pull voters across party lines."
Andrew Cuomo: "is a yapping puppy with a long, muddy bullyboy tail."
Hil: "pretty much damaged goods, but her perpetual, sniping, pity-me tour shows no signs of abating...stumbling, hacking, shop-worn Evita "

It's gonna be fun, brethren and sistren.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Jon Estes » Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:07 am

On Hillary... I think we saw the level of heart towards her from Dems as she wasn’t called on to fly in and help anyone during the midterms.

Lots of baggage her defenders from 2 years ago don’t want to carry.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Sandy » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:42 pm

Interesting comment about Biden and Sanders being "too old and creaky." My perspective on age has changed considerably since advancing past the designated 55 year old "senior" status. Trump is just a year or two younger than Biden, maybe two or three under Sanders. Age is just a number.

But, wow, this is a shocker. William Thornton reading Camille Paglia? I wouldn't think she has much of a following among retired Georgia Southern Baptist pastors. But hey, drop something she says into one of your SBC Voices posts and see what happens.

BTW, Hillary's name was used on a lot of the emails the DNC sent out during the campaign. And she did make appearances for two candidates, Jackie Rosen in Nevada and Kyrsten Sinema in Arizona.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby William Thornton » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:29 pm

I catch her stuff occasionally, have for years. Quite interesting. I think I have quoted her on voices. I agree with her on all these dems...
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Haruo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:27 pm

Since she is on the record as identifying as transgender, and as not at identifying as a woman, I wonder if a non-she-based pronoun set might be more appropriate. I just posted a comment to the same effect on the Talk Page of the Camille Paglia Wikipedia article.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Sandy » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:39 pm

I'm not sure I'd call her "interesting." To me, she's one of dozens that fall in the same category as the Kardashians, the kind of people who make you wonder exactly what it is that makes them interesting enough to some people that they have a following of sorts. I can see why William might be politically attracted to this kind of anti-dem ranting. She's a pretty typical trumper though....

This is not really a comprehensive or very accurate list of potential candidates. There's some polling data among Democrats about preferences and Bernie and Biden land at the top of those, not surprising. Booker has a following, Gillibrand, Harris and Warren, not so much except in their own regions. Looking at all the electoral signs, Trump will be beaten to the ground by any Democrats who want to run, if he survives Mueller and impeachment so the list might get bigger. No one is perfect but this whole list looks pretty doggone good compared to what we've had to endure the past two years.

I don't think it will be long before you hear the name Beto O'Rourke associated with the 2020 presidential election. Hillary won't run again.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby KeithE » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:49 pm

William Thornton wrote:...it's not too early.

I was amused by Camille Paglia's rundown of some possible candidates:

Bernie and Biden: "way too old and creaky."
Gillibrand: "a wobbly mediocrity"
Booker: "all the gravitas of a cork"
Warren: "has never had a snowball’s chance in hell to appeal beyond upper-middle-class professionals of her glossy stripe."
Kamala: "already imprinted an image of herself as a ruthless inquisitor that will make it hard for her to pull voters across party lines."
Andrew Cuomo: "is a yapping puppy with a long, muddy bullyboy tail."
Hil: "pretty much damaged goods, but her perpetual, sniping, pity-me tour shows no signs of abating...stumbling, hacking, shop-worn Evita "

It's gonna be fun, brethren and sistren.


To be an opposing candidate ridiculer, you will have to come up with snappier derogatory adjectives for the candidates - like “Lying" Ted Cruz or "Low Energy" Jeb Bush or “Crooked" Hillary Clinton. (note how much these adjectives apply to Trump himself).

Ideas for a better America? - no need to analyze or even discuss that.
Experience in governing/public service? - doesn’t matter.
Personal character / ethics? - why bother.

Elections are not about having “fun”.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Haruo » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:14 pm

Sandy wrote:I'm not sure I'd call [Paglia] "interesting." To me, she's one of dozens that fall in the same category as the Kardashians, the kind of people who make you wonder exactly what it is that makes them interesting enough to some people that they have a following of sorts. I can see why William might be politically attracted to this kind of anti-dem ranting. She's a pretty typical trumper though....

Trumper? Her self-description indicates otherwise:
Camille Paglia wrote:Some background is necessary. First of all, I must make my political affiliations crystal clear. I am a registered Democrat who voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 primary and for Jill Stein in the general election. Since last Fall, I've had my eye on Kamala Harris, the new senator from California, and I hope to vote for her in the next presidential primary.
So she's got the same record I have, and I assure you nobody, not Sandy or anybody else, has accused me of being a trumper, let alone a pretty typical one. I'm not a registered Democrat except when necessary, but I did vote for Bernie both in the primary and in the precinct caucus, and I did vote for Jill Stein in the general election. I am not particularly interested in Kamala Harris, though I would vote for her over Trump or Pence (or both). Sandy, where did you get the notion that she's a "trumper"?
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby William Thornton » Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:12 am

Paglia doesn't nickname candidates but does toss out pithy descriptions. Politics is sport. It will be both entertaining and fun starting early next year.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Sandy » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:00 am

Haruo wrote:Sandy, where did you get the notion that she's a "trumper


I just know the reputation of her character, I don't really pay much attention to what she says. I really didn't know whether she was or not, just that her bizzare strangeness strikes me as fitting in well with all things related to Orange Hair. I was caught off guard by the fact that a retired Southern Baptist pastor from Georgia paid her any attention.
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Re: 2020 Democrats...

Postby Sandy » Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:12 am

KeithE wrote:To be an opposing candidate ridiculer, you will have to come up with snappier derogatory adjectives for the candidates - like “Lying" Ted Cruz or "Low Energy" Jeb Bush or “Crooked" Hillary Clinton. (note how much these adjectives apply to Trump himself).


Yes, I would agree. Paglia's toss out here is boring, not pithy.

KeithE wrote:Elections are not about having “fun”.


Agree as well. They aren't for the purpose of entertainment, though what happens in them can certainly be entertaining. In that I think the results will be significantly favorable toward my own political perspective, whether the term "fun" or entertaining applies or not, "enjoyable" will be a term I think might apply to the 2020 elections.
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